The Opiate Withdrawal Survival Kit Part 3: The Detox
Now that we’ve talked about how to prepare, and what detox medications you can use to help with your withdrawal, it’s time to get through the actual detox process.
The Day Before:
Get yourself mentally ready for a qrueling week ahead. It’s going to take a whole lot of strength to get through what you’re about to experience, so find that person inside who’s tuff as nails. We all have that persistent-unrelenting attitude inside of us, we just need to search it out. Don’t give up, don’t give up, don’t give up. I can’t say that enough.
The Day Of:
It usually takes 24 to 48 hrs for you to get into full blown withdrawal, so plan accordingly. Once you’re in the thick of it, just hold on for dear life. You won’t get much sleep, you won’t be able to get comfortable and if you’re using anywhere near as much as I was, you’ll probably have some hallucinations as well. I’m not really going to talk about any of the other symptoms. You’ve probably already read them in my past posts, so I’ll focus on what you can do mentally and spiritually to help you through. Now I don’t know if any of you believe in God, but I do, so prayer was a huge part of my detox. There is something about opiate withdrawal that makes you feel spiritually close to God. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we usually call on Him when we’re in desperate situations, either way, He helps so keep praying. Time will crawl by, it will seem like an eternity, but I promise you that when you come out on the other end and are finally free and healthy, you will feel like it was all worthwhile.Like I’ve said before, a support system can also be of tremendous value to you during your time of need. When you’re at your worst, and you feel like you just can’t take another minute, let alone an hour, of withdrawal you can gain some strength from someone who has been there done that. Heck, you can even post your troubles here or email me, and I’ll do my best to help you out.
Self Suggestion:
I’m going to take a page out of a self help book here, and I know some of you are going to think this is cheesy, but please bear with me. I’ve been through detox more times than I can count, so I guess you can say I’m kind of an expert on it. One of the things that I wish I knew about, earlier in my “career” as a junkie, was how powerful self suggestion can be. Self suggestion is basically just “self talk.” It’s like being you’re own cheering squad, and rooting yourself on when times are tough. This positive self talk is called affirmation. Whenever I would start craving the dope, I would just repeat to myself; “I am getting better and better by the minute, soon I will be done.” I would say this so many times that it would actually drown out the sound of my cravings. So, create some of these affirmations for yourself and repeat them over and over again until you start to believe them.
Finishing Up:
Well, I’ve pretty much covered everything here. I wish you the best of luck with your journey, and I’m here for anyone that needs my support. There have been times in my life when I’ve felt like dying. I’ve been through suicidal depression and countless detoxes in my past. I’ve been to jail for drug related charges, and was put through an 18-month drug diversion program where I was tested 5 days a week. I’ve felt hopeless, worthless and pretty much like a scum bag, but I was finally able to turn all of that around. I feel like God gave me a new lease on life, and what a life it’s turning out to be. Sometimes I just step outside and smell the fresh air, grateful to be alive. I’m a nature freak, and I must tell you that no matter how strong a pill or how potent a high I have felt from drugs, they are no comparison to the high I feel from mother nature. Going on a nice hike, bike ride or doing some kayaking on a sunny day is just an incredible feeling. I know you’re incapable of feeling that right now but one day you’ll be staring at an amazing view, sitting on cloud nine, and wondering what all the fuss was about. 🙂
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Thanks for ur help it’s 530 haven’t slept feel like I’m dien
Coach: I didnt change eating habits either but I think since they slow digestion you gain weight stay bloated. When I quittaking them I did lose weight and the bloating went away. I am on day three again I hope this time is forever.
How are you doing Jen? The first days are the worst.
I know you know that…I’m just hinting at reminding that things do get better.
Hey all. Im new to this site and opiates in general. I have been taking them on and off for the last year (Broken bones). Sometimes id go a month or so and never have to think about them or have WD symptoms. For the last 3 months or so. Ive been taking roughly between 10-20 10mgs of Vicodin a week. Mainly on the weekends. I get through the days and work no problem. Head to the gym do my thing and then come home and find myself wanting to take 1 or 2 to help me relax and relieve my anxiety. On the weekends im usually taking roughly 15 (Fri-Sat). Some weeks I go through Mon-Thurs without taking any. Its this last month that has scared me as I started taking 1-2 a night, one day off, one day on etc etc. I also started to notice I need to take more to relieve the feeling where I only needed to take one. I want to catch this before it gets any worse. I dont believe ill have any physical withdrawals (maybe I will I’m not sure), but its the pshychologial pain at night and anxiety of thinking of taking one that gets to me (bc I know ill be able to relax from the anxiety). Does anyone have any suggestions for my cause? Thanks for all that has shared.
I had a root canal so I’m back to day 3 ughhhh this sucks
but thanks how is everyone else doing? Guees everyone has been reasl busy.
Hello all. I need help this is my first day and I don’t know what to do.I hurt and the pain I am taking the vic’s for is almost unbearable. I am going to try that thomas thing, but can any one offer some help?
hi im linda and i’ve been on and off of vicodin.es for ABOUT 16 yearsand was takeing anywere from 15 to 25 a day and for the past 3 months i moved to a town or a city were no one would give them too me and the only thing on the streets was herione so i did it and it snorting was the same and cheeper so i’ve been on that and now i moved again and i’ve been back on vicodin and lorcet 10/650 but befor i got them i went and withdrawal and it didn’t takelong like 1 or 2 hours but it was the worst thing i’ve been thourgh i think in
life so my Question is is herione withdrawal worst then vicodin.es withdrawal
B: I hate to tell you this but your addicted. I would try to quit now it gets worse. You will get to where you take them everyday. This is how it begins. You probably will have some WD symptoms.
Nanny: you are probably thru the worst part how are you doing now?
Hi everyone. I’m finally taking the plunge and getting off opiates after a year. My husband has always known but I just came clean to my parents last night and this is day 1. I feel horrid and like a basket case. I’ve been crying and sleeping and just overall feel like poo. Can anyone tell me if kratom really helps? I have some coming tomorrow but don’t want to get my hopes too high?
im weening right now… tue is the day to stop hard core. i start nursing school sept 1st i want to be clean! please think of me this week i need it! if i can make it through the first 3-4 days i think i will fine… just think of me
Well hitting the end of day 4. Feel like I’ve run a marathon. My body feels like a limp noodle! But I feel so much better than this morning! I used the kratom for a couple days but I don’t know if it helped a bunch or not. Oh well. I’m better off than I thought I’d be right now.
Hi all! I want to let all of you know that I have been reading all the posts here for months, preparing for my own detox. I feel like I already know so many of you. But I am on Day 5 today! cant believe Ive made it this far.
Like a lot of you on here i too have young children, a 4yo and a just turned 1yo.
I started using vics after my c-section last august. Loved em. Then found out that i got accepted into nursing school. So my husband insisted i start right away instead of putting it off until the following fall, which would be now. anyways, i started nursing classes 19 credit hours with a 3 week old baby and c-section incision and stress. so i had friends keep me supplied after the initial scripts wore out. and here i am a year later, an addict. well im saying ex addict cause i got 5 days under my belt. i know relapse happens but ill be damned if i give in! I just really wanted to say thank you to all of u on the board who post often and its nice to read your words of encouragement, even though they are for someone else. i pray for all of you!
I am a 45 y/o female that has been taking vicodin 7.5 tabs anywhere from 2 at a time a day to 6 a day but always now at 2 at at a time. I know that I am addicted and that I need to quit. I am afraid to ask for help cause of the feelings of ” what if I really need them for pain?” I want to try to go back to only taking them as I need them for pain and only 1 at a time for the time frames allowed. What is the best thing to do? I have never been addicted to anything other than cigarette’s which I recently quit smoking as well. Any suggestions? Lost in this cloud of misery afraid to ask for help and afraid not to? Who do I ask? What do I say? Please help…
Well end of day 7. Surprised my posts showed up! I was so confused when they didn’t so I kept posting. Ah well. I just wanted to let people know what worked for me to get thru those first few days. Looking back, I do believe the kratom helped me thru the worst. I ordered 50g capsules and used it on days 2, 3 and 4. Felt crappy but no runs or RLS. I used this along with clonidine 3 X per day and some ativan or atarax for anxiety. Lots of thomas recipe stuff as well. Bananas! Oh sweet bananas! I would eat one every am and evening and the RLS only showed up one night, on 4. Smoking weed helped a little but gave me a little anxiety. Fatigue has been my biggest complaint so far. But all in all I feel 100% better! I am so proud of myself and for anyone who is going thru this! You can do it! If anyone wants to email me feel free! Thanks, peace, love and happiness to all!
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Please do this before you start! I was a zombie thru my first year of nursing school. I wish I never got started! But I’m about to start my second year next week and I will be coherent! And motivated and actually do homework! I say that but who knows right? I hope all goes well for you!
The kratom works. It seems to be a better substitute after you’ve been off of the vicodin for at least 7 days or so. I’m on day 15, my second time off of hydro codone. Quit in April but went back on as my pain increased and my doc thought it better that I be on them and not be devastated from my pain issue. Got tired once again about taking pills all of the time and threw them into a campfire 2 weeks ago. It was easier this time for some reason, I was on 40 miligrams a day for about 4 years. The Kratom really helps me with the addictive aspect.
Metoo and Jen out there?
My doctor appointment for pain management is on Monday, I’ll tell him what I did. No telling what he’ll say
Lilike, hang in there, day 6 or 7 is going to be better.
Hey, David, I’m still here. I’m glad you found kratom to be of help to you, it sure saved me! I’m vicodin free now, with no desire to return to that ball and chain.
I hope everyone else is well!! You can ALL do this! 🙂 Best wishes!
Hi David we missed you!!!!! Im good so far lol. I have had a few rough patches but I am trying. How have you been??? I have wondered how you were!!! 🙂
So here’s my issue. I am not nor have I ever been a pill user/abuser. Actually my most addictive drug of choice is nicotine. Currently, my boyfriend is detoxing off of roxies. Im not from this world, the drug world, so this has been a complete and utter mindf*ck for me most days. He took some Xanax last night to fall asleep. What should I be expecting over the next week? Ive read every single post from you all, and its extremely insightful, but from a user to user basis. Im not a user. I love this man, and I want to help him in any way possible. Ive stocked up on juices and broths because I know he will be dehydrated. Im committed to being here with him through this every single day. Just a little panicked myself. Any information would be hugely appreciated.
This is a hard one so I will tell you how I felt while detoxing – at the time it seems like an eternity – but it is actually a good week and you start feeling better. The worst part is the sleep – or lack of it, and the flu like feeling and the restless legs. I guess my husband helped me just by being there and listening to me complain about the symptoms triumphing as each day was under my belt. Be supportive but don’t take it lightly. Listen and give him space if he needs it….plenty of hot baths, drink liquids – try the THOMAS RECIPE on this site – it helps alot. Xanex is good for sleep but I did not want to get into another drug…so I only took it once.
The best of luck for him to get clean and for you to support him just by being there for him. God bless you in your struggle and I hope it works out – I will tell you that what really helps when he feels like it – get him to post on here and we will support him.
Good luck
Hey, just a quick note on anyone who is looking at Kratom as a tool for withdrawal (that really worked for me), there is a good source for the capsules at kratomherbs.com. Lots of other GREAT sources for powdered Kratom at other sites..if anyone needs more info, I’m here for you!
No matter what you choose to help you along, nothing works as well as time. This too shall pass! Best wishes to all!!! 😀
And kratomherbs enhanced bali is AWESOME. It’s best to start out with commercial bali though. No need to bump yourself up to start. But it’s very nice, and very much (to me) like vics. Legal and safe.
Suprisingly, he has slept for 3 days straight instead of getting the insomnia. Its hard to for me to judge if he needs help or not because he just keeps saying no, no, no. Even when his head is in the toilet. I think hes a bit ashamed that I have to see him like this. Im pretty much forcing him to drink, but he absolutely does not want to eat. Day 3 is almost over though…Im extremely proud of him. Even if he has 3 day old dragon breath and needs a shower desperately….Thanks all. It was nice to have someone to talk to. Ill continue to update 🙂 I can only watch so many movies by myself lol.
Hi Pandi, I have been where he is and the one thing that was a life saver was taking hot baths, just soaking in the tub for hours, I loved it when it was dark and quiet, I just soaked for hours, when the water gets cold, add more hot water, even hot showers are a relief.
I wish you both much luck and send prayers your way.
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Pandi – three days – that is great – hang in there. Things will improve each day. Hot baths or showers to help – like Southern Mom says – Good luck and God Bless You for sticking by him like this – my husband was there for me and I don’t know how I would have done it withut him – even though I was a little hatefull at times – he was still there just as you are for your boyfriend.
Take Care
Kitty Mom
Pandi,
I just remembered something else that may help. When I was going through the withdraws the first 5-6 days the thought, sound, smell of food made me nauseous. I couldn’t even watch commercials about food without running to the bathroom. Becuase of this I got dehydrated so remembering from when I was having my babies, they gave me ice chips and those ice chips were like little bits of heaven, I got fluids and was able to chew on something and soothed my dry mouth and even brought my temp down. The only other “food” if you could call it that was popsickles, my favorite is banana, but they did the same thing for as ice chips except I got some flavor 🙂
Still praying for you!
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Well, it hasnt been a good turn of events. He decided to score last night because he couldnt go through the withdrawals anymore. Its so hard for me to understand what hes going through because I have never been addicted to a substance before. I dont know what it feels like to NEED something like that. I just wish I could articulate that there is a good person standing in front of him saying to choose this path, it will make things better and the people that are in the back of your head or calling you non-stop on your phone havent been sitting over top of you making sure you were breathing for 3 days are not the correct path. Most people would love for someone to show them the right way. I guess I just need some validation that Im not crazy. He wants to check into a 30 day program. I leave for vacation in 3 days to see my family which I havent seen in almost a year. It concerns me to leave him alone by himself with his thoughts. We’ve all done things that we aren’t proud of, I am no angel. But, Im almost 30 years old and I want a family and I want to have a life with someone whom I can love completely and who I know will love me back just as much. He cant do that now, because he loves the drugs more. He says he needs them to even function on a daily basis. I asked him to choose, which probably wasnt the best thing to do, and he said he chooses me. But for how long? Until he gets dope-sick again? I told him I wasnt going to beg him to stay, because he is a grown man, and Im worth more than that..But, will he still feel that way when I drop his ass off at a detox center the minute I get back? Sorry, Im just so inside my head. I dont have anyone to talk to about this. My friends are aware there is a drug problem, but I dont think they understand to what extend and to be honest, I dont want them to know. If only he could see that hes not the only empty person in this situation. Hes not the only one whose hurting or laying awake crying, wondering how you are going to process another day. I tried my best…I hope he knows that. This is such a selfish disease.
Hi Pandi,
First I want to say that I am so sorry you are going this turmoil, it must be mind-boggling. Being an addict I know what my addiction did to people I love and to be perfectly honest I had to hit rock bottom before I woke the hell up and made the choice to live. To give the people I love the person they deserve to have in their lives not the empty, selfish piece of crap they were having to deal with daily. I let everyone down so much but I didn’t care because my need for the drugs was all-consuming. I truly felt I couldn’t live without them, I couldn’t be ME without them, well the ME the drugs made me wasn’t the person they loved. They loved the sober one, a sober wife, mom, friend, daughter, sister from a long time ago.
I can’t begin to know what your relationship is, but I do know the pain he is causing you and the sacrifice you are making to stand by him. I also know that he has to want to be sober, not just give it a try and when it gets too hard to give up. He has to know that his life is in danger if he doesn’t quit the drugs, they will kill him, yep he’ll feel good on the way, but is that what he really wants.
You asked him to choose, you or the drugs, he said he chooses you, but will he still choose you when he needs to get high, does he think that he can say one thing and do another? Can you stand by your choice, you or the drugs if he goes back to the drugs? What are you prepared to do?
OK he goes to a 30 day rehab, in a nice safe facility, then he comes out and the HARD part starts, living a day to life with all that entails, the daily grind. Can he do that? Can you watch him go through that?
I am only asking these questions so you can make the choice now that’s right for you!! You are hurting, you came here for help and you deserve to be heard and get answers, support, concern and prayers. You have taken a huge step. You have asked for help because you deserve it. No your not the addict, you have the hardest part, you love one.
I am going to pray like crazy tonight and see if I can come up with the right words to be there for you. For now I can tell you I am here and I care!
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just wanted to check in and see how everyone is doing!!
First of all, I’d like to say I’m extremely moved by the kindness on here for complete strangers. It is quite inspiring.
Second, I have had a question that has been bugging me for quite some time, and to ask, requires me to tell a bit of what I’ve gone through (I apologize for the length). I first started being prescribed Hydrocodone/Acetaminophen 10/500 when I was in 11th grade for severe migraines. In 12th grade I seriously injured my knee so the doctor simply doubled the number of pills per month to 90. I was able to pace my self (even though I really wanted them) so I was never really a day or so from a refill. THEN, I started college, and my migraines doubled to the point I was going to the neurologist once a week for tests. So within the past 3 months, my physician doubled it to 180 a month. I thought surely if I dealt with never seriously abusing the old level this would never be a problem…but it was the exact opposite. I burn through ALL 180 in a week. I hadn’t EVER experienced withdrawals so bad then that first time. I cried, laid in by bed all day, and used all my vacation time at work for the week or so I detoxed. It also always seems that the aches associated from the withdrawals always hits within 8 hours of my last pill. I always thought it was supposed to be later then that.
So my main question: I have completely detoxed after 180 10s in a week a total of 3 times in the past 3 months and each time, it seriously becomes less difficult. WHY? This past time which started on Friday, and by Sunday it was a distant memory, I knew what I was in for, so I stocked up on the legal stuff: cough syrup, Immodium, bananas, antihistamine…etc for the symptoms, and my chills, muscle aches, sweating, sleeplessness seriously only lasted one day and then were COMPLETELY gone . I’m not really all too fit so I don’t think metabolism is too much of a factor. I’ve never smoked anything in my life (cigarettes or weed)) I have drank (NEVER drunk) less than 5 times and I don’t take anything beside what I’m prescribed, except for a whopping 2 Xanax my entire “drug career”. None of my family or friends know about how fast I take it. Having such a short withdrawal period actually makes it easier to start taking them again since getting off them isn’t that hard. But I’m so confused on how its even possible to have a week of withdrawals condensed into 1 day. Again I apologize for the length, I was just hoping someone could help shed some light on this for me.
Thanks,
Steve
I want to just ask if anyone knows if there is something else I can take to get off these pills? I have been taking them since I was 14 and now my 30th Is on the 19th of this month. I take anything from vicodin, percocet, oxycontin, morphine, duladin, ect. I have a 9 year old daughter and a boy on the way. I am done with this struggle. I dont want to get addicted to something else. But I’ve tried to quit many times and I know the hell,. The sad thing is that I quit once I was off them for 7mo. I have no idea why I went back I really don’t. I have also considered getting one more “script” and staging myself off. Advice any one. Sorry for the spelling.
Hey yall. I was hooked on them for only about two months. For the first month i was taking about 4-5 a day but the second month I was taking 5-8. After not being perscribed them anymore and not having any for about ten hours I started withdrawling.Even tho I was feeling like absolute garbage I started to realise the last two months I wasn’t being me. My girlfriend treats me like a god and I was being rude,disrespectful,going off on her for no reason, and all that kind of stuff. So I decided im done with this shit. Im on day 3 and im starting to feel a bit better bc I called off work today and i’m just laying in bed. Since I was only on them about two months how long will it take to feel like the old me? The thought of taking them again just sounds stupid to me but will the chance of me wanting to take them again come back? The first 48 hours were hell and im about 60 hours deep right now. Am I pretty close to being home free since I was only on them about 2 months? again I was taking about 5-7 1000’s a day for about two months. I would really appreciate some advice and words of encouragment.
when we choose drugs (hard drugs) those drugs will take presidance over every other thing. I lost my girlfriend in a fit of rage during a detox, in reality i would have lost her anyway. Most people will be unable to commit to their significant other for a very long time, its now been a year and i still could not function with a girlfriend. Drug use is a life long thing, but it does not have to be a life long battle. I screw up all the time, ALL the time, the difference is now, i don’t sit in a ball and self loath. I hop right back on the wagon, yea if that means my 71st time going through withdrawal, then thats what it means, but i always get back on within about a day. It didn’t start that way tho, at first i could only get a couple days clean, then it turned into weeks, then into months. For most people, drugs do not cause the addiction, addiction is a symptom of something SO MUCH DEEPER and more profound. Look at the reason’s you are using, now that i know the reasons that i use, the craving’s are about 1/10th as intense as they used to be, even the day right after use. I can keep hopping back on the success wagon and keep trying hard because i know what i am battling. Do you know what you are battling? is it anxiety, fear of failure? (in my case, undiagnosed aspergers, that i lived with, and managed and learned to get around all by myself for 16 years. All the mean while being punished and reprimanded, told i was stupid and all sorts of shit about things i could not control. Use what works for you, yes if that means transfering your opiate addiction to marajuana and then trying for a few years to get off of weed, then do it. HAHAA, you cannot believe everything everyone tells you, sometimes the man with the most credentials is the worst teacher, and the teacher who never taught can connect better. No cookie cutter answer, find what works for you and never give up. Even if you die accomplishing nothing, if you can say you tried your hardest throughout your life, then you earn a place amongst the best.
oh and john, perseverance man, if u keep trying you will eventually succeed. Don’t worry about whether this time is your last, or if you will be clean your whole life after this. Take it one day at a time, and find the real daemons you are battling. YOU WILL SUCCEED SO LONG AS YOU KEEP TRYING.
Its finally been almost a week and I feel 100 percent right now. This is the happiest ive been in a while. I’ll just stick to smoking pot. Fuck the pills. I can smoke weed once a day and continue to do well in college and go to work. Pills are wack compared to weed. You can smoke weed everyday and quit and be perfectly fine. You take pills everyday and try to quit, you feel like death. Never again will I take vics. I don’t care what the condtion is, i’ll just deal with the pain instead of going down that road again. I don’t know why everyone says that its so hard to quit. As long as you care more about who your doing it for rather than the pills you’ll be fine. Any strong minded person can quit taking them without having a relapse.
Hello, I am new to these kind of forums, but I wanted to take the time to share my story.. I am a 30 female with 2 beauitful children that are my life, but a year ago I had mouth surgery and the doc gave me lortabs and I was taken them as needed, but it snuck up on me as being an opite addict.. I am scared and just want off of these devil pills… I have started trying to wean myself down, yesterday I took my last one at 1130am and went all day without one and all night last night, the feeling I had wad unbearable I tossed and turned all night with hot and cold sweats could not get comfy and just praying the feeling would go away, I woke up got a hot shower and I only took two this am, and will not take anymore till late this evening I know I am still taking 2-5 a day, but I was up to 10-15 a day?! Please help me on what I can do to get over this stump in my life:( I feel as if I am losing it and just scared of the detox I want to do it on my own vs getting subx cause I heard all that is worse to get off:( thanks for the support and I had to swallow my pride and write this cause I truly need help:( thanks and any advice will help me!!!
Hey rachel, as with you I am new to this site and such I am on day three clean . I was up to around 120 plus mg of oc a day. I tried time and time again to quit only made it to day three once I think. But I feel a better already I have been using the sauna and steamroom along w lots of hot showers to sweat out as much as possible this will help w the coldsweats tremendously. I hope I don’t fuck It up this time I want to quit as does everyone but sometimes take the easy way out. Withdrawal sadly sucks for everyone but u have to go through it if your gonna change ur life around. You have to convince urself ui want it bad and tell urself u can do it. All of everyones posts have helped me greatly also.
I’ve been praying for you now someone pray for me
I am only 20 and have abused them on and off for over a year getting into daily use the past 8 months
Day five in a few minutes idk if this site is still rollin seems to have died a bit. Your “guide” was really helpful and seems like just “my story” now because its so relative. Sleeping and eating stiLl kinda are hard but herbs for both have helped a liitle. Finding this really helped my mentality part extremely along w all million posts I read they helped so much too. BISMUTH helped so much w the stomach nd such today, dumb for not thinking of it sooner. I’ve decided to visit family 500 miles away on friday just to relieve any temptations here from “friends” . I feel so relieved to be past the worst.
To all of you hyping you hyping Kratom, you are fooling yourselves — it’s an opiate, just a hair weaker than other opiates — it has a withdrawal syndrome similar to, or slightly worse than, vicodin. I say worse b/c it has quite a few more alkaloids that your body is getting hooked on. Don’t believe me? Do your own research. Can it be used as a tool to get off stronger opiates? Sure, just like suboxone can be used for the really bad habits. FYI, I’ve used and been addicted to Kratom, Suboxone, Heroine, Vicodin, etc, etc… of all the opiates I’ve kicked, Vicodin was the easiest and Sub was the hardest (due to the duration).
G’luck to you all — please, please, please be careful w/the Kratom –there’s some bad information being spread here.
I have a few questions for u, please respond asap
Jack is absolutely correct about the kratom. Like him, I know from a very difficult personal experience.
At the moment I am on day 5 or 6 of withdrawal from subs. I just turned twenty two weeks ago and this is the second time in my life I’ve gone through what I would call (relatively speaking for me of course) severe withdrawal (both times from subs). This time though I am completely alone. I just finished my semester at college and have not yet gone home. Thus this time it has a unique character in that the only dialogue I have is with myself. Its actually really difficult to have only negative thoughts circling around your mind all day, in addition to being physically ill. Thus I’ve come to the internet to simply talk about it. I’m glad places like this exist.
One useful tip – I’ve used phenibut twice during this ordeal, mostly to help me sleep. Check it out on wikipedia, it seriously helps. It is physically addictive so be careful, especially if you have had issues with benzos in the past. While it isn’t a benzo, it is somewhat related. If someone decides to try this to help with wd, just don’t ever use it on back to back days.
Dustin sounds like your are doing pretty good. I can tell you after years of on and off abusing the best thing dont ever think you can take one again. I thought when I was sober a month or two than I could take just one.. It never is just one. Praying for everyone on here 🙂
Hey, Jack and Dustin…
I respect your thoughts on kratom, but I know for myself and several others here, it DID HELP, and it is far less difficult to get off of than vics…I’m just saying that for me, I would use the kratom to step off the vic and opiates. Withdrawing from kratom is a walk in the park compared to coming off opiates. Each individuals chemistry is different though, so maybe that’s why it was so difficult for you?
I also would not steer anyone toward phenibut~~and I have tried that also. For me, it fogged me over for the day, and kicked my butt the day after. It was far more harm than good. Again, just my opinion of it.
All in all, I BELIEVE kratom to be the lesser of the evils. And I have seen it help others. Nothing more, nothing less.
I have been reading this board for several months. Gather the information and deciding for myself what to take or not to take from all of you. I am speaking from my own experience and I have to go with Jack & Dustin with this. Kratom is VERY good in helping with the withdrawls from any opiate…but do your research! We are all users of something to get that “high” and I do believe it’s one exchange for the other. There are many sights out there in regards to Kratom and it’s use. Has anyone really truly went without to really know if there are withdraws? I do think it’s a personal choice and it is meant to be used to help with the withdraws… I do feel however once you get that buzz from kratom…you won’t want to quit…now you are in the grasp of kratom…my thoughts. my opinion. my experience.
I have w/d with nothing many times. The best thing is the thomas recipe for me.
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