The Opiate Withdrawal Survival Kit Part 2: Drugs for Detox
The Kick Pack
I remember when I was younger, there was a clinic by my house that would give patients an opiate withdrawal “kick pack” to help them with their detox. You had to sign all of this paperwork, much like the methadone clinics of today, and then they’d give you this little kit full of drugs that you could use to detox with. I personally never got the thing, but I’d heard that it had stuff in it like, Darvocet, Clonidine, and maybe some Valium or other tranquilizer. Ideally, you want to get through your detox without having to resort to using any other drugs, but sometimes that’s either too difficult, or just not feasible. If you believe in harm reduction, then this post is for you. If you think that a good detox is one that is completely “cold turkey,” then that is understandable, and more power to you…go for it!
Anyway, throughout the years, I kind of created my own kick pack, that helped me get through my withdrawals. It really varied depending on what I had available at the time, but marijuana was always a crucial component.
Marijuana
The weed was really more for the mental anguish that came as a by product of detox. When you’re coming off of vicodin, you’re chemicals are all out of whack so depression is a major symptom. I used to get very depressed for those first few days, and actually even stayed depressed for months. There were times when I felt like I would snap, but smoking a joint really helped ease my thoughts enough to where I didn’t feel like using opiates again. So if you can get a hold of some good bud, then I would recommend you include that as part of your kick pack, but remember that your ultimate goal is to get clean. Don’t let the weed become another drug that you end up having to withdraw from. You’ll get stuck in a horrible cycle of using one drug to kick another.
Darvocet (Propoxyphene)
The other thing that helped me at times was Darvocet. Though I never did sign up for a kick pack, I did have easy access to Darvocet. Darvocet (Propoxyphene) is a synthetic opiate which means that it’s made completely in a lab, and is similar in structure to methadone. It’s weaker than vicodin, and can be used to ease your symptoms so you can slowly taper yourself off the drugs. The only problem that I’ve had with the Darvocet, and with tapering in general is that it can be very very difficult to actually succeed in doing it. I would always be reminded of that potato chip commercial; “Bet you can’t eat just one.” When you try tapering, you’re essentially playing with your mind and body, by giving them a little bit of what it wants, but not quite enough. Both mind and body will be in a very deprived state, and if you’ve ever hit a buffett after starving yourself for the whole day, then you know exactly what I mean. So what ends up happening is that you finish your whole stash within the first day, just because it becomes so incredibly hard to say no to that urge. Tapering requires an incredible amount of planning and willpower, both of which are very hard to come by if you’re a dope fiend, but that doesn’t mean it’s impossible. It really depends on where you are mentally. If you’ve resolved to stop using the drug for good, then you’re going to have a much more powerful force to work with, rather than if you’re just trying to kick for a little while.
Opioids
There are a few other prescription opioid drugs that have been clinically proven to help you kick the habit like Buprenorphine and Methadone, but I’m going to have an entirely separate post for both of those drugs so stay tuned.
Clonidine
The next drug that has been known to help with opioid withdrawal is Clonidine. Clonidine is a antihypertensive, so basically it helps to reduce your blood pressure which usually spikes during a detox. The Clonidine helps with the chills and hot flashes that can be horrible in and of themselves. I’ve personally never tried Clonidine but I’ve talked to people who have used the Catapres patch, and they said it worked wonders for them. There are however some dangers involved, so be sure to do your research on this.
Benzodiazepines
Tranquilizers like Valium, Xanax and Clonopin can all work wonders for the stress and anxiety involved with a kick, but withdrawing from those drugs can be even worse, so again, proceed with caution.
Over the Counter Remedies
There are a ton of over the counter herbal type remedies that will help you out during the final stages of your withdrawal. They are usually worthless during the initial stages, just because non of them are powerful enough to have any impact when your symptoms are at their worst. Herbs like Valerian, Kava Kava and Chamomile all have relaxing effects on the body and mind. Valerian has actually been a great stress reliever and sleep aid for me since I’ve been sober. It’s closely related to benzodiazepines, which include the above mentioned tranquilizers.
All the drugs in this post are options that you can use to minimize the unpleasantness of withdrawal, however, they are not meant to be used as substitutes. If you’re dedicated to getting clean and staying that way, you should resolve to eliminate your dependence on any of these drugs as soon as you’re able to lead a normal life. That way you can be sure that you’ll never have to go through something like this again.
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[...] that we’ve talked about how to prepare, and what detox medications you can use to help with your withdrawal, it’s time to get through the actual detox [...]
This is the FIRST on hands, approach to detox I’ve read, at it makes complete sense..
Being a strapping 240 Lb police officer who is also HIV positive for 22 yrs at 47 yrs of age, I became addictive to opioid’s from the long term effects of standing peripheral nueropathy from my job.
Now with Entry Inhibitors for HIV such as the combination as Insentress and Intellence the life expectancy of people like me is a reality.
I was needle stuck during a drug bust during the late 80’s then Firist given Hyrocodine and later as symptoms from HIv infection increased I needed the care of pain management specialist, fortunately for me he is a surgeon too, that has stretched my responsibility in progression through different opiods in strength
But I have considered detox since small resistivity of HIV are being removed from my body month to month down to smallest lymph node and I am left with detox as the next hurtle and I have no plans to beat my self up over it, I love the detox centers approach, Here go to group and hold this magic crystal, it will help!
If retirement to smoke pot a factor so be it, I ‘m on the same page with you on that, shitting and sweating oneself to death, be there done that as they say!
@James
Thanks so much for the comment, and sorry I didn’t get to this one quicker.
I’m a big advocate for taking the road that works best for you. I really don’t like cookie cutter approaches to detox, because the truth is, that there is no one answer.
Given your circumstances, I would be hard pressed to tell you that you shouldn’t take whatever you need to help you with what you’re going through. Who am I to try and push any one particular solution on anyone, and that’s the kind of stuff that irks me about some traditional forms of detox therapy.
That’s why I just tell my story here, and hope it helps someone else out. It makes me real happy to hear comments like yours.
Thanks again James. I wish you the best in your journey. I would say stay strong, but I have a feeling you already know how to do that.
God bless
Today is day one of going to bed with no pills,and i am terrified. i have been on percocet, morophine, lorocet, oxycontin, and whatever else came along for two years. i have legitamate pain due to herniated and degeverated discs, also nerve damage to my neck and back. i have been entirely out of control. enough is enough and i want to know what my true pain level is. as of yet i have suffered only mild sweats and bathroom runs. xanax helps, as does the green. i did wean myself for almost 2 weeks using lower doses of methadone. i am hoping that i will not suffer horribly. now i just want to say “what do i do now?” wish me well and my advice to all is to wean as much as possible with whatever you may have and pray.
I do believe that this website is very helpful, if for no other reason than to know that you are not alone and that others have gone before you.
Ive taken pain pills for the last two years. Ive never had a scrip so ive probably spent over 10 grand on pils being that the street value of these things are a dollar a mg. ive gone throught the wd symptoms probabyly 20 times in the last two years and i admit they suck, but honestly during the symptoms ive had to get up and work everyday and suck it up which is probably the rerason why i think all of you are cry babys. i mean really if you feel bad and you lay in bed all day you will feel worse. get the heck up move around and honestly force yourself to workout. i pefer wieght training. believe me after the first five minutes you wont want to stop because youll be releasing endorphines. i admit the withdrawals suck but i never thought they sucked that bad untill i read all the horror storys from people on these web sites, Ive realized its only as bad as you let yourself believe it is. I gauruntee if you get up in the morning (this honestly really is the worst part) and eat a healthy breakfast drink a cup of coffee(this can suck later…) hop in the shower then work out hard as possible for a half hour you will feel great all day not 100% but a hell of a lot better. just do it, i know it sucks but ive never laid in bed for a week feeling sorry for myself. i do get a syptom that noone else gets though… my throught gets so itchy and it feels like somthing prickly is in there? this honeslt sucks worse then the body pains, any recomendations? i hope i helped someone
Hi Mike,
Although I think your opinion on using your mind to help you through WD’s is valid, I know for a fact that your comments about everyone here being a “bunch of babies” is way off.
Opiate withdrawal is never the same across all individuals, and you definitely can’t expect everyone to handle it the same way. Spend a little more time reading my comments, and you’ll see that I give encouragement to all my readers to “stay strong” to the best of their ability without calling them a bunch of babies. There are some who have an endorphin deficiency to begin with, so imagine how those folks feel when they wake up from a nice kick. A kick that a little coffee might not help.
Nobody is telling you to feel sorry for yourself, that’s self-defeating and discouraged on this site. However, some people might not have the mental strength that you have, so the best way to get through to them is to help them, not by chastising them.
With that said, I’ve never heard of the itchy throat, that’s a first for me. I do remember getting this feeling that I had like a “loogy” stuck back there. Maybe that’s it. Either way, doesn’t sound like fun.
There is a lot of medicinal help at your local drug store. Imodium AD, Benadryl, Dramamine (occasionally) Potassium, Asprin, vitamin b6, and detox tea is all very good to have on hand during these times. I’m using all of these and have been for over 10 days now. Fortunately I was able to get some Clonidine and Atavan from my doctor. Also it never hurts to go the ER if the w/ds start to become unbearable, they can get you through the night. And remember that physical withdrawals can last up to and around 21 days.. so be prepared for anything. Good luck all.
First, let me say, thank you to those that have created and maintained this site. It has been very helpful to me. I started taking pain pills 4.5 yrs. ago. Although they are not prescribed to me on a regular basis, they are or were readily available to me. I started taking them, innocently enough, for pain due to migraines and back pain (L4, L5 herniated discs). Unfortunately, along the way, I found that the opiates gave me the energy & ambition I needed to cope with my massively over stressed and over worked lifestyle. Unlike the alcohol I used to abuse moderatly (I was never a true alcoholic) that relaxed me & helped me get away from all the stress in my life, the pain meds actually enhanced my performance and best of all – no hangover – or so I thought! After being without meds a number of times over the past 4.5 years, I can honestly say that opiate withdrawals are one thousand times worse than the worst handover I’ve ever had. This leads me to my reason for writing; I’d like to respond to Mike’s post above.
First off, Mike, you admittedly, have only been taking the pain pills for two years, correct? Second, I’d be interested to know how many you take on a daily basis (mgs) and what opiate pain pill you take (your drug of choice, so to speak)? The reason I ask is if you are able to do all that you say and basically mind over matter your withdrawals, I’d have to imagine that your habit isn’t too severe – that you are taking a lesser opiate, lesser quanitity and/or for lesser periods of time, than many that have posted. To call these people, myself included, babies or say that we should just suck it up is ridiculous. Do you have any idea how many times I’ve been in the throws of withdrawals where I just wanted to kill myself and said to myself, “why can’t you just suck it up and get out of bed?” Sadly it’s just not possible. Let me also tell you, that like you, I’ve NEVER been one to stay in bed all day. Even before opiates, I’ve always been a very active type A personality who could no more stand to spend a day in bed than you. Part of the reason the whole withdrawal process is so damn difficult for me is that I stress over getting out of bed, however, just cannot physically do it, no matter how hard I try.
If you had the level of addiction, or were taking the amounts or types of pain meds that I and many are taking, I highly doubt you would be getting up and going to work every day. I don’t collect disability, I’m not independently wealthy, and I have to get up and work all day and take care of a family. I, however, cannot do this when I am going through withdrawals. Most of us can’t. I’m fortunate to have an understanding employer who knows my problem and is helping me to get off of these damn things. I agree that if you feel bad, lay in bed all day, you will feel worse, however, if everytime you get out of bed you are throwing up, have explosive diahrrea, feel like your head is going to pop off your body and explode and your entire body feels like you just got run over by a truck, sorry, babe, but you’re stuck in that bed, unless, of course, you can make it to the tub for a hot soak (which by the way, does help).
I also agree with you about working out, but belittling people for not being able to do it is highly insensitive. Moderate excercise when and if it is possible will, of course, help with withdrawals, and usually after my fifth day I’m able to get out of bed and start moving around a bit – short walks and the like – and it does help, however, doing that during days 1 – 4? IMPOSSIBLE!
.”i admit the withdrawals suck but i never thought they sucked that bad untill i read all the horror storys from people on these web sites, Ive realized its only as bad as you let yourself believe it is.”
The quote above from your post is the important part Mike. THE WITHDRAWALS DO SUCK THAT BAD for most people! It’s not an issue of mind over matter, as you assume. I can only imagine that you are very lucky to not have nearly the addiction that many of us have and if that’s the case you should save yourself while you can and never touch another opiate again! I can guarantee you, if you continue taking them and building a higer tolerance/taking stronger opiates, in about a few years time or so, you’ll want to be retracting this post for sure!
I don’t think your post has really helped anyone. Perhaps if you had suggested your method of getting out of bed and working out without, at the same time, insulting those of us who are sick as hell, depressed already, and in need of support, your post would have been beneficial, however, I would imagine most, like me, will see it as the post of a less ‘experienced’ user who is living in denial.
Do yourself a favor now – get out of the pain med game while you can – I promise you the lack of difficulty you are having with w/d now will only get worse the longer you use!
Lisa
“Birds sing after a storm, why shouldn’t we?” – Rose Kennedy
I have been on many different pain meds for a couple of years and could easily go through 20 tablets a day. I have lost alot along the way such as time with my kids while being sober and the trust of my husband of whom i never confided in until i had to be rushed to the hospital. I have realized how this use has affected my children especially my oldest son who is 16 years old. I had that wonderful excuse that “hey these are prescribed so its all good” when in reality im not any different than and alcoholic or heroin addict. Im really trying to be positive through this (on my second day) but it is proving to be very difficult. I have to do this for my children and my husband but i am in a living hell right now. On top of that im battling a major sinus infection. Does anyone have any idea on how to get some sleep? Ive tried over the counter sleep meds and have no access to ativan xanax and such as the docs wont prescribe anything else to me. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Everyone! Soooo sorry I didn’t respond earlier. I haven’t had a chance to get updated because I had to attend to a family emergency for a few weeks.
@Heather
I do think that if you can wean yourself off, then that is the best way to go about this, but remember, you need a lot of supply to slowly get your dose down to something manageable. Otherwise, you’ll still face some WD’s. Thanks for your support.
@Steve
Great points, I forgot to mention the Imodium, but the antihistamines always made my RLS ridiculously worse.
@Lisa
Amen!!! Thank you so much for that.
@Stayathomemommy
Please hang in there. Believe me, you’re going to go through all kinds of different scenarios in your head to think up how you can get some relief. For the things that you have available to you over-the-counter, then I say try as many as you can. Take hot baths, whatever you need to do, but there is one very very important aspect to all of this. Is this the last time? You need to bury this thing…for good. The power that you feel when you know that you are ready to kill your dependence on those pills is amazing. I know you feel physically horrible right now, but think about it this way. You only have to do this once…it’s up to you.
I’ve spoken with both my pain management doctor and my neurologist about substitiute medications to help me get off hydrocodone (I’m a migraine sufferer) and both suggested Ultram. It has only been marginally helpful for me, but it might be better for others.
Good luck everyone, I’m on Day 3, it’s harder than I though but I’m going to make it!
Keep at it Jason. You already have the right attitude, so I know you’ll be just fine.
If you want my recommendation, I would stay away from the Ultram (Tramadol). I’ve had to detox from it in the past, and I have to say that it was the worst WD’s I’ve had, given the small dose that I was taking. I was totally taken by surprise because my Doctor had told me that they were safe. The worst part of the withdrawals were these Neurological Tremors that I would get. Like this “electric shock” feeling…it was horrible.
I think in low doses, it may be helpful for getting off other opiates, but please be careful with the stuff.
This is day 3 and I am in a world of hurt. Day one wasn’t so bad I think I still had enough vicodin in my system. However, yesterday and last night was pure HELL. I can’t eat or think straight. Every sound like my husband and kids in the other room make me want to kill someone. My head is pounding something fierce and I don’t know about this one none of you mentioned it earlier but my legs have a mind and a life of their own. They are moving, jerking and extremely painful. I wish I had a machete and I could hack them off. I used the above mentioned link to “withdraw-ease” I sent them $123.00 to have their remedy overnighted to me and so far no luck. It has been over 36 hours and I haven’t gotten it yet. I am really pissed, hurting and my nerves feel completely raw. I hate that I have a problem with pills. They helped me like “Lisa” posted above to have energy and ambition. Pop 3 or 4 pills every couple of hours and I could cook clean go to work do it all and feel great doing it, but that all changes. A couple of years of that you are bound to crash. You have to take more and more to get the same effects and the mood swings become more severe and your life starts to revolve around taking pills. It was no way to live and that is why I want to stop. But right now I want out of my skin. I wish I had 10k to sleep through it or some other way to cope. Hopefully that “Withdraw-Ease” shows up today and I can let you know how it works. Has anyone else taken it? If so please share and tell.
I almost broke down yesterday and took a dose of hydrocodone, it took everything I had and strong encouragement of my wife but I made it through the day without it. My head was just pounding but I feel much better and good about myself today. Everything else seems to hurt, just achey all over and I have no energy but today is a better day. Thanks for the Tramadol advice.
@Pillpopper
Terribly sorry for the delay. I hope everything is ok with you. Did you receive that remedy that you purchased? Please let us know how you’re doing, and whether or not that stuff worked. God Bless.
i have been taking about ten vicodin a day for two months and knew nothing about prescribed meds before that but what amazed me was how quick the addiction came on i have not had a problem with pills before and am 40 hours into my withdrawal and feel like my skin is crawling!!! legs kicking at night and cant sleep it is very tough!!! now im hearing of people saying they have used for two or four years and coming out the other end in a week. so my question is when will sleep get better and when will the crawling skin ease or what over the counter medication can i take thanks for any help
@jj
If this is your first detox, then you should be ok within about 72hrs. I remember in my early detox days, I would be pretty good by about day 3 or 4. As my struggle progressed, my withdrawals became longer and longer. Nowadays, if I wanted to go on a two or three week binge, then it would probably take that long for me to get back to normal.
As for the OTC meds; I have some recommendations at the bottom of the page on this post. Those might help you out.
Take care
I have been an addict of opiates now for about 9 years. Over the years I have went through withdrawals many times. Each time they got longer and longer. I recently (Sept) quit for 39 days and it was day 11 or so before I slept longer than 30 mins before waking up sweating and having my eyes moving around like crazy. I was only getting about 2 hrs of sleep before waking up during day 20 up to about the time I relapsted. Now its going to be my last time doing this and ive decided to quite smoking at the same time. It has been 8 days since my last dose and 5 since my last drag. I havent slept more than 5 hrs in the last 8 days! I feel like crying for every single sappy commercial I see and I dont know why! I need to get back to work but there is no way I can work when I cant even sleep. I dont want to take another drug to get me through this one because what would be the point. What can I do to sleep!!!!???? Please O PLEASE someone help me!! Sleepless in Indiana
i am in withdrawl tapering from 400mg oxycontin taken for 4 or 5 years with Dr.s script for very severe Migraines. I am down from taking 5 80mg pill a day to taking 1 80. I am afraid to just go cold turkey from 80 to 0. Does anyone know if this is safe to do? what to expect? good luck to all ! i care how you are. wind
wind,
I think 80mg’s is still quite a bit to detox from. Oxycodone (Oxycontin) is a much more potent opiate, and if you were to translate your dose into Hydrocodone, which is the active ingredient in Vicodin, it would be the equivalent of 120mg’s of hydro. That’s no joke. That’s like 24 – 5mg Vicodin’s per day.
If I was you, I would taper that 80mg’s down slowly, until you’re dealing with something like 5mg’s per day, now that’s much more manageable.
Best of luck to you wind. Take care.
JasonB05,
I understand what you’re going through buddy, and I wish there was an easy answer to it. Withdrawals suck period!! And after 9 years of struggle, I know it can be even harder to make it through mentally. Have you tried any over-the-counter sleep aids? Sometimes they can work, and other times they won’t even put a dent in your discomfort, but it’s still worth a try.
Do you have to give up the smoking right now? I know it sounds counter-intuitive, but I remember countless times when I would try to just give up all of my drug habits at once, and besides a miracle from God, it’s very very difficult for any human to attempt something like that. Our brains have trouble coping without just one drug that we’re hooked on, imagine taking out all at once. I know that after 9 years you just want to be done with this, but my advice is to take the detox slowly, but take whatever measure necessary to make sure you never ever have to go through this again. Make that choice today Jason. Choose a side. Addiction or Freedom?
God Bless.
please any help would most likely help me to save my life. anyone? i need someone, i feel so alone and can not confide in my doctor- he’s the one whom i let put me in this debilitating position. I also do not want drug addiction on my record. it was hard enough getting any help for my severe, debilitating Migraines with one pupil that blows out[completely dialates]. while not being labeled and judged as an addict. I feel that with this ‘withdrawl” labeling me, it could be near impossible for me to get what I need when I really need it. Feeling very afraid April 12,2009 will be my final jump cold turkey from one 80 mg oxycontin to nothing. I will have gone from 400mg oxycontin to 0 mg in one month- after having taken it for more than 5 years. I already experience skin “crawling” hot , cold, flu like symptoms, horrible headaches, i feel like I have no one to rely on but myself and i don’ feel emotionally stable at all. I stand to lose everything. This is my rock bottom. I stand to lose my husband of 25 years, the roof over my head. I have no family living. I am scared.
this is the first and only chance I will get, and even that holds no guarentee that I will be abled to hold on to what i have. I have left in my wake, sadness, lies, broken trust, lost friends, i must do this for me. my spirit feels broken but I know that I have to do this complete with meetings, support group, therapy, learning new ways to deal with both my emotion pain and the pain i have in my body. I need help…I am past the point of feeling sorry for myself. I have put on my big-girl pants and I am doing al that i know to do short of getting locked down in rehab- not good for the “record” either. Pre-oxycontin I was suffering from 4 to 6 migraines per month, each lasting 2 to 7 days! I am terrified to go back to that existence with the Dr.s treating me like a neurotic woman and drug shopper/seeker. please is there anyone out there? love and peace to all- we can do this very truly, wind
to all on this thread, have you all heard of suboxone, it helps with w/d in as much as 24 hours after your last dose of opiates. I’ve done it, and have relasped, getting ready to do it again, and, LOL, i remember doing this w/d thing with out knowledge of the ’sub’. I’m still dreading the beginnings of w/d but knowing after 24 hours, i can put this wonder drug under my tongue, and in about 20 minutes be feeling like a normal person, beats all this long drawn out detox. I’m so mad at the medical field for not allowing people to know about this drug, and believe me, it does work ! You just have to wait till your in withdrawel to take it, search it in your google, suboxone, you’ll thank yourself that you did, but, if your already sick, and in bed, you may have to wait for a while to get it, as only certain doctors can precribe it, it’s expensive, no one wants to take your insurance and it runs anywhere from 150.00 to 250.00 for an appointment and than it cost around 6.50 a pill at your local cvs pharmacy, has anyone heard of this ? I get it off the street, thank my lord, by luck, i ran into someone who no longer feels they need it, i had a cervical spine surgery, plate put in from c3 thru c7 and believe me, my addiction was doctor induced, but no way have they helped me in this area. Good luck to everyone struggling on this site, i’ve done it too many times, but i have my own demons to deal with, i need to stay away from the meds, and take my suboxone regurarly, and no more of this w/d stuff. good luck and please, do a search on this suboxone, maybe you can get help now, otherwise , down the road you’ll know about it, and can turn to it, should you need it. god bless everyone, ciao, jami
i h ave been on oxy’s and moved to heroin for about a year since it was cheaper. all i can say is everyone is different. i never vomit or get the legs kicks. i do notice everyone has problem with sleeping and apetite. i like to exercise but it make the wd’s worse and i hate the sweats. what has worked somewhat is clonazepam and hot showers. it does take a strength of chrarcter and the decision to stop. i keep osciallating between getting off opiates and staying off them. it makes it worse i think as opposed to just deciding to quit forever!!!! when i detox, my mind starts to count the days until my next dr appointment where i can get my oxy’s. i find the more you try to detox the hrder and longer it takes.
one more thing to mention is talking to someone who has been through it and succeeded. i hate hearing these dr’s talk about how it is just like the flu and only takes 72hrs. unless
someone has lived through opiate withdrawl, they have no clue what it is like. but i must say the worst part of detox and wd’s is time seems to go soooo slow, especially if you are at home alone. a minute is like an hour!!!! actually the worst is sleeping for couple of hours, and having the worst nightmares, waking up sweating, and have nothing to take to make it go away!!!! when i am low on my supply i would rather have a bad night of no sleep to have something for the morning as opposed to taking it to sleep then wake up with nothing. by the way my issue is i want to get off for financial and work reasons. i detox for 3-4 days then relapse. this has happened 4-5 times in the last 2 months.
my problem is i haven’t put my foot down and made the decision to stop. my body always wins out in the end becasue i can only take so many days of no sleep and no apetite!!!!
crimn
It might just be time to make that decision.
Let me know if you’re ready, and I’ll do my best to point you in the right direction.
I just wanna say thanks to websites like this one. I am on day 5 sober. Life has been all about pills, H, not being sick, and getting blasted when we have the money. My wife and I are doing this together. I just wanna say that it DOES depend on the person on the best way to detox. My wife is on a couple of days of suboxone. I quit cold turkey. I can’t do suboxone because it is the worst withdraw I have ever been through. I ended up in the ER last year due to it. My wife ,on the other hand, can’t quit cold turkey. Everyone is different. I did a lot of research on websites like this one. Everyone’s experiences and input really helped me put things into perspective. I hope this is the last time we ever go through this(God knows it’s not the first). Enough is enough. Good luck and thanks to all
To add on: we have been hard at this for around 5 years now. We would each do 200 mg morphine in one line for a good “blasting”(as an example)
I’m on my 5th day off loratab and perks. I’m alright in the days but nights are hell. Leg aches are keeping me from sleep. My dr. gave me clonazepam. I don’t take them in the day. Last night I waited till 10:30 and took one, 2:00 am i”m still awake. If I could just get rid of this ache in my legs I would be alright. Any suggestions.
mark,
Hope I’m not too late. The leg aches are hell. The only thing that worked for me, were hot showers. Just let the water run on your legs, or take a hot bath. The relief lasts for about 20 after your shower, but then they’re back to it again. If you can afford the water bill, then I’d just keep soaking. I’ve also heard that bananas help…yes bananas. But, I’ve personally never tried that. Definitely do the hot tub soak/showers though.
First of all thanks for the website, I’m on my third day without. I have been using 12 to 20 5mg vicodins a day for the last 2 and a half months. I don’t take them for pain, I take them for the euphoria and energy. I can’t sleep when I take them they keep me awake. Years ago I had a tooth pulled and they gave me vicodin for pain, thats where it started with the opiates. I am 55 years old. I quit drinking 20 years ago because that was a problem. The vicodens and oxys are a worse problem for me. The withdrawals are much worse. This with Gods help will be my last time through this Hell!! I had a heart attack Jan 4, 2009, was clean for 2 months felt great. What the hell is wrong with me? I have a wonderful wife and 3 great kids. My oldest son is doing all the same crap I did. I tell him of the misery and waste of this type of existence, but I’m such a Hypocrite because I still do this crap. Thanks for listening I feel like I will really make it this time. I really have to believe that.
Is anyone out there? I’m going through withdrwal. It’s bad.
I am in day 11 of my withdrawals from morphine of 2 years and percodan for aprox. 5 years prior to that. Hey, I am not going to lie here…I did a lot of drugs…tons actually…when I was younger and never went through withdrawals from them…I guess I played around with too many and smoked too much green to notice.
Then for years I did not do any drugs. But…life kicks in and so did the headaches…nonstop for 8 years. So my doc, without any mention of addiction or withdrawal put me on percodan until I became allergic to that and then the morphine.
Praise God I am in day 11!
Nevertheless, I am still in withdrawals. The vomiting is past, but the diarrhea is holding on. Ammodiam over the counter is starting to help with that. I do have to say the hot water is a wonder for the legs!! Sometimes they are the worse. I am already on xanax and it is helping for sure…got myself a little green and it too seems to help.
I am determined to stop this time!!! The drug is still in the house due to my fiance’s back pain…I asked him not to offer it, do it in front of me or give it to me if I begged…I have not resorted to that yet…lol. I plan on starting counseling on Mon. in a group setting…I hope it will help.
After the “sick”, the body and mind are still going through hell!!! Prayer, xanax and green have helped but the feelings are still there on the surface.
I think that until I or anyone determines that they are “DONE” they are not ready to go through w/d’s. Why put yourself through that…but I have…if you are just going to take the med again? Ya know?
This is the hardest thing that I have ever done, gone through in my life. No help from my doc when I finally told her what I was doing. I am told this can last for months and am considering suboxone, but that is just another addiction.
I am hanging tough…with God!…and hope all of you are doing the same!!! This site has given me a better sense that I am not alone and ideas on how to help myself get through this. God bless for this site and the real people who can get honest with their pain, addiction and w/d’s…It helps tons!
11 days sober and staying that way…as we all know, “this too shall pass”…in the interrum it sucks!!! But be determined you are DONE and we will all get through it to a better life!!
God bless and keep up the fight…..
I’m on day three. Doing this alone. Please tell me it gets better.
Lara…
It does get better…but the time it takes is different for each of us. Day 11 here and it is better…not done, but better. hang in there and be strong…get your life back…it will eventually get better.
All you have to do is get through today…hot showers/baths…try some calcium/magneseum and tons of gator-aid.
be cool
Keep breathing everyone – you can do this! It gets better every day. In five days, you’ll know the other side.
You can do five days.
Attitude is your best ally, because when you make up your mind to stop the cycle, for your own reasons (it’s your body, your life) you’ll be at your strongest. At all times remember: this too shall pass. If you have a sense of humor, repeat that with every sudden, violent bathroom visit.
Preparation and support: yes! … be that in the form of a loved one (or two) that will follow you through the crucial first five days, or you setting up systems of support you can easy reach, well labeled etc. during those crisis days.
Think like a child, and lay out your preparations so they are that simple, easy.
You’ll reach a point of exhaustion, frustration, and hallucinations – worst case scenarios that accompany the insomnia, as well as intense RLS as your CNS goes nuclear. Each person experiences each withdrawal differently, to lesser and greater extremes. Honor the process. Approaching it with a thankful mind does help with the peace you’ll find pre, during and post W/D event.
Withdrawal, in our (my husband and I) observation, gets harder (defined as a little longer in duration, a little more fatiguing..) to accomplish with ease each time ‘it is time’ to banish the dependency demons.
Support person: by day three you’ll be exhausted like you’ve never been before. Follow the sleep schedule of your W/D person with sleep aids, or a rotating schedule of you and someone else to help you: support team!
What the hell do we know?
My husband: withdrawing, day 5 today, has done so about eight times in the past six years, and dozens of times in his life. He has a rare bleeding disorder that destroys joints = spontaneous internal bleeding and surgeries, joint replacements, pain like nuclear explosions in the body, all the time, no cure, treatment only (daily infusions of clotting factor so he’ll stop bleeding) He’s also co-challenged with HIV pain and Hep-C.
During W/D, he can begin an internal bleed that prevents him from taking anything solid to help with side effects: meaning we find ingenious ways to disguise it, or change it /them to liquid, injectable forms etc.
Me? Devoted wife with a serious set of certificates, classes, research etc. under my belt re: what works what doesn’t, alternative therapies etc…I teach these health aids, I look for better solutions always. When he’s lying in bed in pain, I am beside him online, reading, finding an expert…
Caution: DO NOT inject anything into your skin, body, or veins unless you know what the hell you’re doing…even then it’s a bad idea during W/Ding…you just aren’t your lucid, stable able self.
He’s withdrawn from 40 mg Oxycontin every 8 hours, to 280mg Oxycontin every 8 hours plus 40-80mg Dilaudid added to that every eight hours – successfully every time. When the pain ends, the drugs must end.
Eventually you reach that fork in the road, where you’re aware you’re serving the drugs, not the other way around.
medication preparation:
What helps overall : honestly, Ambien. Copious amounts for the first five days.
Sleep through the five hell days. Your body needs the rest, it and you do not need to suffer the very real physical and mental wars happening- so sleep. Whereas 1×10mg, or 1×12.5mg a night is the standard Ambien script dose, prepare to take 4-10 x10mg a day. Have someone supervise your dosing – because you won’t remember what you took and when.
On high doses of Ambien, combined with W/D, you will sleep walk, have amnesia – but the RLS (worst thing) nausea, sweats etc. will NOT keep you awake and in agony.
The idea is to stay in bed, sleep be sedated. W/Ding makes your brain and CNS think you have a physical war to get up and fight. However, your balance and sensory perception will be altered, so best avoid causing injuries and danger to you or your family: stay in bed. Stretch, walk around when you can, accompanied by a support person. No sense pushing it, and passing out because you got up faster than your system could handle.
no access to sleep aids?
Benzos (anti0anxiety meds) …Xanax, Valium…cheaper than Ambien. Again, prepare to match your CNS which has just gone from 0 to 10 in intensity of feeling and reaction for five days – by dosing with an adequate amount of anti-anxiety meds. Once you’re done with the five day hell ride, back of the benzos…
W/D from them is no picnic either…same with Ambien: back away slowly.
Combining a low dose Valium (10mg) with Ambien will boost the effectiveness of the Ambien.
Lunesta as a sleep aid is not as effective for most people, as Ambien is for W/D.
note: Ambien 10 mg size (white) crushed and added to juice or water will aid digestion for anyone experiencing violent diarrhea as an added W/D affect.
Ambien 12.5 mg has a built in time release inorganic coating that will render the medication useless, like a gel, if crushed. Add distilled water, heat it on the stove until you notice some of the icky silicone matter burning off, strain the icky floating binder/coating, and the remaining liquid will allow about 30% of the Ambien to reach your system to be helpful.
Note to big pharmas: how exactly is the binder/coating/time release material not toxic to the body?
Up any sleep aid, or anti-anxiety dose with extreme caution. Respiratory confusion can result…(body doesn’t remember how to breathe, and it’s just so tired anyway…)
Knock yourself out, don’t kill yourself. Support person or team: crucial really. Support yourself by having someone, some people helping you.
non-prescriptions:
Detox tea, chamomile tea, stomach soother, Sleepy-time…
L-tyrosine (dopamine loss from opiate withdrawal is phenomenal, and continues well after the first intense five days. Dopamine is essential to brain chemistry, the feel neurotransmitter. L-tyrosine, a naturally occurring amino acid, repletes the missing dopamine, and tells your CNS to stop with the nasty W/Ds. Brain food!
L-tryptophan, precursor to Serotonin, also woefully lost post opiate use, also the feel good neurotransmitter …caution with L-tryptophan, over 50mg can make you, and make you feel, toxic.
SAM-e: can’t say enough about it’s helpful benefits. Varies in strength since most is made in Italy and arrives via?…exposed to light, temperature, or just plain long shelf life, the potency can vary up to 50%. Start with 200mg, go as high as 1600mg.
Caution: stay low dose (200mg) if you’re on any SSRI, SNRI (anti-depressants) because there will be serotonin/dopamine wars: respect your brain chemistry and pay attention to the slightest indication you’re messing with the wrong supplement. This caution applies to L-Tyrosine, and especially Trypophan doses. Know also however, that these neurotransmitter levels will plummet and stay low for some time post withdrawal, post opiates. More might be better first, then quickly, less. if you’re doing the rest of the withdrawal without physician support, this would be the one area to consider getting such guidance on. http://www.crazymeds.us: can;t say enough about Jared and community. Amazing knowledge and DIY support for brain chemical matters.
magnesium: 500-1000mg easily per 8 hours during the extreme RLS phase. More? Start low. Compliments Ambien’s RLS help beautifully.
Iron, if you can stomach it (always take with stool softeners even though you don’t need help with soft stools at this time, and 500mg Vitamin C to absorb well) also helps immensely with RLS, crawly, electric legs.
Since adding supplements can upset the stomach which likely hasn’t been able to stomach anything besides juice, tea, broth for days, add a banana. The body needs potassium now, electrolyte balance.. Bananas help stop nausea, (bland, neutral taste and consistency) help gently bind stools, and coats the stomach so it doesn’t immediately reject anything added there.
Bland foods: think cream of wheat, oatmeal, GF equivalent. Straws that bend are also really helpful when the W/D person is so wiped out they can’t ger their head off the pillow. There’s an excellent liquid vitamin/mineral supplement called “Complete” (compnay called Awareness, Canada, organic sourced) that tastes like juice. Added in small amounts to fruit juice over the day, one gets what they nutrionally need through the hell days that won’t allow or stomach anything else.
Keep the lights low/no, sound low/no, have mindless DVDs on hand, LOTS of water…insist on hydration.
The body sends out the extra energy it has through the feet. Ever wondered why its the legs doing the jerky motions? We’re an electrical system. The CNS is just doing its job.
Massage the calves and feet often…yup, in the middle of the night when you’re dead tired, think of how the person going through the W/Ds feels, and massage away. Use a peppermint based lotion, to cool the feet. Press in with your finger pads on the bottoms of the feet until you feel ‘little rocks’. Theses are uric acid crystals suggesting more water is needed, and that lactic acid is releasing.
A not-so-loud cooling fan is great, and helps keep the peppermint lotion you’re using soothing the feet.
Lactic acid will build up. Releasing it from the muscles and cracks and crevices in which opiates like to hide in, wrapping themselves around like tentacles (receptor action) feels SOOO good for the person experiencing W/Ds (the rubs, not the tentacles).
You’ll want to use lots of pressure to banish the W/D demons – but use heavy intention, and light touch instead. A person in W/D being touched, is welcoming, comforting, but can also feel like being shocked with electric needles.
Use a simple carrier oil like olive or sesame oil, add a few drops of lavendar (relax) chamomile (relax) peppermint (awake, refresh), grapefruit, lime (refresh, renew) essential oils to add yet another medicine to the mix. Our skin, the largest organ, is a giant sponge. Adding beneficial powerful herbal/plant medicines via such a pathway is amazing medicine.
Caution: less is more wth essential oils. Never apply an undiluted oil. Dilute ratios vary, but for rubs, 4-20 drops per cup of oil (start low) works.
Massage/reflexology aside, you’ll notice the feet are hot, cold, dry.
Confusing the CNS with jolts of extreme changes in temperature my make your W/D’ing person react in shock, panic or anger – but the CNS relief from applying COLD cloths to the feet (tricky part) one in each hand, at the same time, suddenly, is amazing once the shock has passed. Since the W/Ding person is feeling temperatures in a more sensitive way, DO NOT boil water for the hot temperature shock: water warm enough that you would ’steam’ you own face with it applied is sufficient. If it’s too hot to hold, it’s too hot to apply to the feet.
Of course, showers and soaks are great (unless there’s an inflammation issue involved: heat will make that an uncomfortable addition to the W/D).
Bring the bath to the person. Even slothing the feet with a good peppermint scrub, is heaven. Rinse with a $3. RV plastic sink you guide and dunk the slothed/scrubbed foot in one at a time, then dry it off.
Sponge baths, regular changes of PJs and sheets: all refresh the energy and encourage the “this too shall pass” feeling.
Anti-hemetics (anti-nausea help): go liquid if you can, on as many of your medications as possible. Your body’s digestive system is stressed at this time, and will instinctively expel any pill. Simple OTC Gravol/Dramamine can be helpful. Ginger ale doesn’t actually have ginger in it, but perception and smell is everything. Rub diluted essential peppermint oil under your nose. Very helpful. Can you tolerate the intensity of ginger? Eat some, or dilute it in hot water and drink as a tea.
Snuggles: yes.
Be aware, softly check in with your W/D’ing, until they (and you) are sick of hearing your voice) watch for their body posturing to indicate levels of comfort if they are not able to be verbal with you. Knowing someone is there, caring, being compassionate, encouraging is wondrous to the process.
Aftercare: the first five days is the hell ride. After that, re-build. Think (know) that you have a clean slate. Fill your body with all the good things it needs, deserves. Congratulations you just walked through hell came out the other side, and all the world is yours with more awareness of it for you than you can recall in any recent time. Wa-hoo!
Best wishes all!
Colleen,
Thank you so much for the detailed post. I’m sure there will be a TON of people who will not only find it helpful with their withdrawal’s. I’m going to take a look at that crazy med’s site too.
OK, WHERE is Colleen?? She is fabulous.
Colleen,
Thank you so very much for your detailed post. I’m doing my best to help my husband, but have no understanding of what he’s going through. Your post not only helps me understand, but gives tons of options of how to support and care for him.
You’re awesome, girl!
Hi all,
I have been taking vicodin for about 1.5/2 years due to chronic back pain. I want to stop taking it because I am tired of dealing with it. I’ve only taken 5/500 mg x2 every day, sometimes I’ve gone up to 3 or 4 pills, but usually only 2. As I read all of your posts I don’t know how I managed to stay at this small amount, I guess I have just always been terrified of the addiction/withdrawal. I have gone through withdrawal from anti-depressants and it was the worst thing I’ve felt in my life. I’m tapering to one pill a day, on day 2 of the same 5/500 dose, and I feel pretty much fine. I take klonopin for panic attacks, have for about 10 years, and I know that will help me. Does anyone think this will be really hard for to get off of at the dose I have been taking for the period of time I have been taking it? To everyone on here – stay strong! You can and WILL get through it.
I have also started a 2 week cleanse – I have actually felt happier taking less of the Vicodin. I don’t know if it’s the cleanse, or what…I suffer from sesvere depression and I think they have been making it much worse. They make my anxiety worse as well – not just the pill itself, but constantly being worried about getting more. Anyway, any feedback would be appreciated – I have been having some heart palpitations, but I’ve always had them…I also don’t have a dr. anymore, so I’m only able to work with the pills that I have left. Which makes me anxious…
Today is day 14 of my suboxone w/d’s anyone considering taking suboxone should really study this drug before taking it. These are some of the worst w/d’s that i’ve had. Not to forget the length of time b/c sub. has an extremely long half life that sticks w/ you for a long time. I’m a Firefighter with degenerative disc disease and spinal nerve problems. so i was prescribed 40mg oxycodone for the pain. I felt like super man nothing hurt and i had more drive to work than ever. Then the tolerance demon jumped aboard so i went from 120 oxycodone per month to 240 40 mg per month. i kept my pockets full of pills and worked like a mule. You should have seen me fight fires. But then something i did expect to happen did happen, my wife got pregnant and let me tell you that when she was born drugs were no longer an option period. So i started suboxone and was told that it was extremely safe so i stayed on it for a year. suboxone is either short term or for life. I got so sick of spending my family’s hard earned money on this crap so i quit! Day 14 baby and i see the light, still have some back pain but decreases every day. God is with me and totally believe he’ll bring me through this. Good luck to all who fight this demon of addiction!
Justin,
You’re are absolutely right that Suboxone is either “short-term” or “for-life.” I would take being a daily user of Oxy’s over being a daily user of Sub’s or Methadone for that matter. That half-life is KILLER!!
I’m extremely happy to hear that you’re off the pills. I can’t deny that they are not only helpful, but also pleasurable, however, in the long-run they always catch up to you. I started a post on pain management without narcotics. You can read it here: http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/pain-management/painkillers-pain-management-techniques-part-1/
I’ll be adding to it pretty soon, so please check back, soon.
Btw, I think I speak for all of here at the community…Firefighters are AWESOME!!! Especially here in California. Keep up the great work!
Hi everyone! I have been taking oxycontin for about 5 years now and have realized that I stand to loose everything including my husband and son if I don’t stop. Fortunately I found a doctor who actually admitted that they are as much responsible for my addiction as I am because they enabled me to get the meds. She consulted the pharmasist at our local hospital and together they came up with a plan to wean me off as gently as they could. They made up the doses for me to take and blister packed them in decreasing quantities. I definitely still went through withdrawals, leg aches, body aches and headaches. They did assist me with a small dose of clonidine and just a tiny dose of ativan. I am now on day 14 of being without pills and can honestly tell you that it does get better. I was also told by my doctor that if you come off the drugs slower your withdrawals aren’t as bad and you are less likely to relapse.
Hang in there everyone, it really does get better with each passing day! I know that you can do it! Good luck and keep up the good work!
I suggest trying chelated magnesium for the RLS. It seems to work for me. Any one have suggestions on what to do when you get the shakes?
luckygirl,
I’ve never had the shakes from withdrawal, but the magnesium has worked wonders for my RLS. Hopefully, someone else can help you out with that. In the meantime, I’ll keep my eye out for you.
I have been through Dilaudid withdrawal when I broke my neck at 19 y/o.Methadone withdrawal several years ago and now Morphine use for the last 5 years due to Scoliosis,old neck injury,arthritis and back and neck disk problems.Now 45 y/o I am planning to stop the morphine this week,again…My suggestion is: 1.Atarax for anxiety (antihistamine been around since 1950’s)This is a sub for Valium. 2.Tramadol for pain (or Neurontin)This is a synthetic opioid,but not at all like Vicodin or others. 3.Loperamide (over the counter) for diarrhea 4.Pink Bismuth for stomach (chewable tablets) 5.Maybe ask for Ambien CR or something for sleep.As you may know,getting sleep is all important during withdrawal.Drink water.Keep your blood sugar low.Avoid alcohol and caffeine.I know how difficult it is, but try to be as physically active as possible.Sitting or laying around will only make matters worse.Exercise releases chemicals (endorphins,dopamine) in your brain that will help you.Sweat releases toxins.Walk the dog, go bowling, walk circles in your living room,please do anything you can.You will be surprised how much forcing yourself to move around will help you! Also, do other things to occupy your MIND. Much of the difficulty of withdrawal is physical ,but alot is mental (dwelling on your misery)Your G.P. should have no problem prescribing ATARAX,TRAMADOL AND AMBIEN.Tramadol may be a schedule 4,I am not sure about this,but my G.P.,who is extremely apprehensive about hydrocodone and Valium,etc..has no problem with prescribing Tramadol.Doctors are pleased when patients ask for non-narcotics and are usually willing to give you adequate amounts..I do not know how I will be able to deal with my constant pain or whether I will be able to continue to work,but I am sick and tired of the struggles I have to endure to get the pain killers and anti-anxiety drugs that I need.Whether through doctors or not,it controls my life.Since I do not abuse/overuse, I may find my quality of life even more miserable w/o meds, but at least I will have my freedom.The invasion into my personal life,the pissing in cups,the attempts to reduce dosages when I have been at the same level for years,The fear of traveling with narcotics,the pill counts,the questioning,the people who know you are on it are asking for it,the rotting teeth,the weight loss,the depression,is it really worth it all? Perhaps I will be more willing to try alternative methods to find relief…The extra money won’t hurt either! Survive two weeks and you will be done with the worst of it. Like I said,start moving around as soon as you are able and keep it up once you are cleaned out…Self control and self respect are all important when using other drugs to get off your problem drugs.Be careful…Have a goal to work towards and tell yourself ” I am going to win this one!” because it IS a war that you are fighting.Maybe getting off the drugs will get you the new car or the new job that you have dreamed of.Start taking the money you spend on doctors and/or drugs and put it in a jar.Watch it add up.Look at ourself in the mirror and watch your appearance improve as drug free time goes by.Relationships will improve,etc…Fight for yourself and for your life…
James,
Thanks for the great post. The end was what really stuck with me. I don’t go to meetings now, but back when I did do some NA meetings, I met a bunch of really insightful people. One in particular, whom actually became my sponsor for a bit, told me this…
“When we’re using, we can’t see that silver lining. We only see the darkness. I’m here to tell you that I was in that darkness, and I guarantee you that there is a silver lining. Hold on to that. Remember that. You’re life will be better than you could ever imagine, but the only thing you have to go on right now, is faith in my words.”
Hello fellow addicts:
I have been hooked on painkillers which I started for the energy/euphoria that helped me through a miserable job. I have no legitimate reason for doing them. I feel really bad for people who are in genuine pain! I was and am in mental pain, and that’s no picnic either.
Anyway, I just read this entire site. Anybody here feel like getting really pissed off about the way this country and it’s “health care system” works, and what they keep from us? And what they GIVE to us which creates all us addicts in the first place?
I haven’t heard one single comment on “ibogaine”.Just slightly surprised, because it’s one of those “sounds too good to be true” things. I discovered it’s existence completely by accident, and the more I read, the madder I get. Sorry, but NOBODY can convince me that there isn’t something to this; that many drug addicts have no reason to lie, and there are clinics all over the world who administer the treatment everywhere except the U.S. and Belgium. Well, they DO administer it in the U.S. under something called “rapid detox” whereas they charge one something like twenty-five to thirty grand. Nice work if you can get it. I believe that to get around the laws here they take you on a fancy boat offshore…..
I’m not lying. I’m not stupid. I’ve done a LOT of research. I’ve talked on the phone numerous times to one of the pioneers of this substance, which is a plant that grows in Africa. I’m not going to say any more. You can research it yourself, because some people are surely going to say, it’s bogus, it’s a scam, it won’t work, it can’t be true, etc., etc. But it IS true, and the reason we can’t have it is because of the same old story. The almighty FDA and the pharmaceutical companies not only cannot patent a plant, they can make NO money from it because it requires only one or two treatments. Not only will they not make money from it, they stand to lose billions in lost revenues from pushing their poison pills. People who want to open clinics in Mexico have also been stopped and threatened by drug lords for years. decades.
nuff said. I can already hear all of you out there saying what a sucker I am to believe this. Do me a favor. Spend one full day reading everything you can find on the subject.
lesmac,
I’ve personally read about Ibogaine, and you’re wrong about me thinking that you’re a sucker. I’m open to any type of alternative medicine. I’m not about getting on anyone’s case about their opinions in regards to certain remedies. The simple fact is that if it works, it works. But until it becomes readily available, I can’t really place my hope in it. And you’re absolutely right about all the special interest groups that are making damn sure that these alternatives are kept restricted. Long-term profits are much better than a one time drug fix like Ibogaine claims to be. They just can’t make money on that the way they can something like Methadone.
omg i thought i was the only one who was going threw this how long does it take to get off this crap. my stomach hurts all the time i cant keep food down i have dropped like 40 lbs not to mention the other crap your body goes threw. i have been a 4 year user at about 20 10mg pills aday can anybody help me to tell me what to do so i can get up everyday and not be in pain how long does it last tyla4420@hotmail.com
HEY I FOUND THIS POST TO MAKE ALOT OF SENSE. I AM A COLLEGE STUDENT WHO HAS BEEN A ADDICTED FOR A LIL OVER A YEAR NOW. QUITTING IS THE HARDEST THING. FOUNUATLY I JUST TOOK MY LAST 5MG AN HOUR AGO.
( I HAVE BEEN TAPERING DOWN FOR THE PAST TWO WEEKS. N E WAYS I JUST WANTED TO SAY POT REALLY HELPS. IT GETS UR MIND OFF THE WITHDRAWLS AND ,KEEPS U HAPPY. I RECOMEND DARVOCET CAUSE IT HELPS WITH THE PAIN AND VALIUM TO SLEEP. PLUS LAYING IN A WARM BATH HELPS UR BODY RELAX
Has anyone use the withdrawal -ease kit . Does it work?
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Thank God I have found this website. My son is addicted to “my” vicodin. I am on 8 a day but he takes 6 of those 8 and sometimes more leaving us both without for days at a time before I can get more. I hid them, locked them up, kept them on me at all times to keep him out, but he still finds them. I experienced the withdrawals myself on just the 2 a day I take so I can only imagine what he goes through. We are going to detox each other by Thanksgiving and stop living this half-life. Thanks to all who have posted and my thoughts and prayers are with you and I know I’ll be on here soon myself asking for help to get me through the first, second, third and fourth days. Hopefully, knowing what to expect and how to alleviate the problems will make our journey a little easier. Love to all.
I have found the drug Gabpentin (Neurontin) to relive almost all symptoms of opiate withdrawal. I was on several 80mg Oxys a day for months, also poppy pod tea and smoking straight fentanyl gel. Gabapentin is a non-narcotic and used for many things from controlling seizures to nerve pain and off label use for anxiety and depression. I find it gets rid of all the hard-core parts of withdrawal including the shits, goose flesh, cold sweats, shivers, lack of apatite, depression and allows me to sleep incredibly well. It really is a miracle drug and detox clinics are now starting to use this drug for this exact reason. The only thing it is it will make you a bit more lethargic but that goes away after a few days. Its pretty easy to get this drug prescribed, and honestly I wouldn’t have been able to kick without it. It saved my life in my opinion. I was able to function as a normal person during the worst part of my withdrawals, this is absolutely incredible considering I should have been stuck in bed wanting to die. I am now opiate free and living a healthy new life thanks to this drug.
ps: Gabapentin needs to be taken in very high doses to be effective in treating opiate withdrawals, I am prescribed 300mg 3x a day for nerve pain i have. But I find taking about 2000mg in the morning, and another 3000mg spread throughout the day completely gets rid of the effects of opiate withdrawal and makes me feel great!
Hello,
Thank you all for sharing your stories. They are inspirational and you should be commended on your courage for facing them in writing, a pretty tough admission in itself. I’m a 30 year old female with severe endometriosis and scoliosis. I was diagnosed at 21 and, after 2 unsuccessful surgeries and 180 days in the hospital with complications(infertility as a result), was prescribed Tramadol for pain management. I had never put a drug in my body prior to this, not even alcohol. I was offered Percocet but declined because of the many horror stories I had heard so when doctors informed me that Ultram(Tramadol and Tylenol) was NOT a narcotic, I accepted. I have been gradually increased over the years by my doctor because, as we all know, tolerance increases. I am now taking 6-8 50mg tablets/day, the highest recommended dose.
I really wanted to address all those considering using Tramadol for withdrawal symptoms. Please do your research on this drug first. It should be classed as a narcotic because it is a narcotic and too few doctors take the time to explain how that works. Synthetic as it may be, your body doesn’t know the difference. In all aspects, it mimics an opiate. That’s why it works so well. When stopped, it mimics the withdrawal as well. Again, your body doesn’t know it’s not the “real” deal because, for all intents and purposes, it is. To make matters worse, there is another ingredient in this little underestimated pill which drastically fools with your serotonin(think “happiness”) production. Once Tramadol begins to leave your system, you will not only suffer your dreaded opiate withdrawals; you can count on the myriad of horrific effects of quitting an antidepressant too. Consider it a bonus, a 2 for 1, from our friendly pals at the pharmaceutical companies. I know, all too well, how unpleasant that can be. I’ve stopped using Tramadol many times, sometimes because I was sick of being on it and sometimes because I forget to call for refills or I was traveling and couldn’t get to the pharmacy. It was unbelievably terrible every time. Anyway, I just wanted to share what I’ve experienced with you. Hope it helps in your decision-making.
Just a side note… My husband and I would like to have children so I, of course, want a drug-free body before even considering any last resort conception options. Guess what my doctor suggested I take to wean me off Tramadol? Percocet. Oh, the irony!
God is the most important part of kicking anyhabit!
Ok here i go, Please research,– Kratom, it is an herb you can buy on the net, here is one source, http://www.arenaethnobotanicals.com/ It is a opiate substitute used in Asia and is all natural. I have not personally tried it yet but am about to. I have a friend who was on 30 loracets a day and it worked for him, although he had to take a bunch on it. Anything is better then Suboxone, especially long term, I was on the sub for 8 months and it was the hardest thing ever to get off of. Good luck all and smile, always helps.
Hello all. Thanks for the posts. I’m in day 2 of w/d off of Vikes 18- 7.5mg/day and Opana ER 20 Snorting. I am a fiend. This is my 3rd time to w/d. I’ve used Ultram in the past to successfully get off. This time no access. I don’t have a Dr so this has been an expensive addiction this time. The times before I was a Nurse and could easily get morphine and demerol. I got out of Nursing to get away from drugs. And wouldn’t know it the drugs found me. They called me via a Nurse that is taking pills home to sell to supplement his salary. It always amazes me how people can have 300 -10mg vikes and not take them all in 3 days. He just has them in this big baggie just sitting in his truck console. He even drops a few between the seats when he reaches in to get my “order” and doesn’t think anything of it. Ok back to w/ds. the typing is actually getting my mind off of the “fiery” skin. i wish i could be drawn and quartered enough to satisfy the movements my body wants to make. I’m going to try and get Neurontin tomorrow, but again i don’t have a Dr. I know plenty since i was a nurse. I would consider myself a professional, I have a wonderful family, and my job is awesome. and i sit here in my living room pretending to have the flu. My dog seems to know something is wrong.lol. I have to go to work tomorrow and i don’t know what the am will bring. i haven’t slept in 48 hours. anyway i love you all, I am proud of all of you, and i thank you all. Send good vibes. no i don’t want anymore vibes send good thoughts…
On day 3 of Detox from Vicodin 10/500. Used for 5yrs and at worst was taking 8-12 per day. Weaned down to 4 a day, then went to my health care and said I wanted help getting off it. They got me in that day with the Chemical Dependency Recovery Program and set me up to speak with the DR in charge of Detox. I was put on Ultram to get me off the mental addiction of Vicodin. I was using for the way it made me feel, not so much for the pain. I had used the last several months to do simple workouts (no wieghts, just pushups and dips) to strengthen my core and back in prep for this quitting. So far the Ultram is working GREAT. Just like everyone else’s symptoms, I to have a problem sleeping, but i just nap when i can. I havent had any cramping or “the runs” yet, nor have i had the restless legs or the skin feelings. Only major W/D symptom is the headaches all day. This was to be expected and can be managed. Small price to pay for not having full blown W/D symptoms!
Anyhow, this Ultram has gotten mixed reviews on here. Since we are all different, i will share what i think.
It feels much stronger then the 10/500mg Vicodin’s I was using. The head trip is strong, so I can see how this med might actually make the person want it instead! I wont since I am quitting for myself and family. Since the med is a very slight Opiat, it can also mask your true pain levels. I was told that it wont do anything for my pain i suffer, but so far I havent felt the pains like I did when i tried to quit “Cold Turkey”. Yes I’m achy and stiff/sore, but not throbbing pain where i wanted to curl up and die like before.
If you have a strong family and friends who will help support you and you have Health Insurance (Kaiser, Blue Shield, ETC) I HIGHLY suggest you talk to thier CDRP dept and let them help you detox and stay clean!! I will write to this blog again when I am around the 7 day mark and again later in my detox progress. Good luck all and YOU can do it!
Thanks for all the wonderful info. I’ve been taking Lortab 7.5/500 for almost two years now due to herniated discs and degenerative nerve damage. As recently as two weeks ago, I would take 14 per day. My neurologist finally decided to stop giving me a perscription saying I was addicted but offered no other support – jerk. Anyway, I’m on day 3 now and was wondering where to go if I need Ultram, or darvocet or something else for this pain. I have trouble sleeping but the WD is becoming manageable (day 2 was bad…) but I am pissed that I was left hanging. As I have Crohns and 1/4 a colon already, I am very familiar with taking Imodium – ha!
Good luck to all.
Just wanted to update my progress on helping my son kick the Vicodin habit. He is now down from about 12 a day to 1 a day just to help with his back pain. An Ambien, muscle relaxer and clonozapem at night helps with the withdrawals and I am so proud of his real struggle to kick this habit. For the first time in years my 30 days prescription for my own pain will last me till I can get them filled again because he isn’t stealing them anymore. Everyone hang in there and keep trying. Get someone to help you. You cannot do it by yourself. Next step is to get him off the cigarettes, wish me luck! God Bless you all.
I’ve been taking opiates going on 16 years starting with vicodin, then percocet, and roxicodone. Whenever I got sick from a flu I would stop using for a week until I got over whatever flu-bug I caught, and then would start right back up. I’m not at 45-60mg. oxys a day and feel like I’m really staring down the precipice of no return if I don’t quit it now. I started feeling flu-like symptoms 3 days ago and stopped cold turkey again. I had to take 1mg. of xanax the first night for insomnia, and then .5mg last night (almost took a 2nd pill) to sleep. My symptoms have been mild compared to others (insomnia, diarrhea, malaise, anxiety, depression). I’m pretty concerned about what will happen in a week after I’ve gotten past this period of w/d. I’ve considered N/A, but I’m not religious (I’m atheist) at all and feel pretty lost and abandoned when the program turns to using the higher power.
I have a pretty significant supply stashed away in the back of a closet, but I just can’t bring myself to flush them down the toilet. I feel like if I really needed them for real pain or injury, I’d want to have them available. I’ve had several doctors refuse me pain meds for foot tendonitis, and was thankful that I had some on hand.
I have a lot going for me. I’m engaged and sometimes I wish that I had this monkey off my back for good. But I find myself falling into the clutches of boredom and then jonesing for some more euphoria.
I am on day 11 of stopping Suboxone. I am a RN that was using the leftover MS, demerol, fentanyl, etc. I only used for a period of about 6 weeks, then entered an inpatient treatment program, where I was started on Suboxone. I am trying to get my license back and am on a very strict monitoring program, in order to go back to work I had to quit the Subs, so I did cold turkey. I never knew it would be this hard, plus Iam not allowed to take anything while monitored. It sucks, Im a nurse and had no idea what hell this is. I have 4 small kids and a husband to tend and my brain is crazy. Good luck.
Hello to all!! Well, after years of taking pain medications for legit reasons, I accidentally became addicted. In fact, I had no idea I was addicted until I called my dr for a refill and she could not longer write controlled drugs. She had been busted for over writing. So the first time I stopped taking my pain medication which was lortab, it was hell. I did it cold turkey. After several days of this I finally got to an ok point but was still having my usual pain. That’s when I was given ultram/tramadol, because they said this was a safe drug. So I continued to take it for several years. When I decides to stop taking it because it caused me to have 2 seizures. The first one I almost died from because I fell out of a boat into water and was not conscience. I had to be given CPR. Anyway, trying to quit tramadol was a thousand times worse then quitting lortab. I strongly encourage to everyone to stay away from tramadol. I am not the only one that has had difficulty with this drug. It really upsets me that drs give it out like candy and don’t know a thing about it. Anyway, I have been taking lortab again for awhile now because I keep having kidney stones and infections. I was taking about 6 10mg each day. For two days now I have taken about half that and will be out of my last one tomorrow. I’ve decided to not call my dr and stop cold turkey for good. Today I’ve had stomach pains, headaches, depression and sweating. I will keep writing to let you know how it is going. I wish all if u that are going through this the best and keep your head up because u can do it. But please do not take the advice of “take tramadol to help ease withdrawls” u will only then be addicted to it and it’s soooo much worse!!
I have been taking Dilaudid & Neurontin for 6 years now for a genetic condition equivilant to lupus & RA combined. I have been taking 1800 mg Neurontin & 32 mg Dilaudid daily – at least until last week when I had an anaphylactic reaction to the NEURONTIN. It was at that point I realized I was a slave to the pills & decided since I could no longer take the Neurontin, then I dont want the Dilaudid either.
Obviously I had to abruptly stop the Neurontin & let me tell u something the doctor wont – you WILL go thru wd’s from Neurontin, probably more severe than opiate wd’s. Your skin stings, burns, a lite touch feels like a million knives going thru you – this on top of traditional wd symptoms. So to those of you consiidering Neurontin to help your wd’s – do so with caution.
As for the Dilaudid, I decided to taper down 1st. I have an 8 yr old son that is physically equivilant to a 3 mo old so I have to be as “normal” as possible to care for him. I have, however, weaned myself from 32mg daily down to just 4mg daily in only 5 days. I will cut myself down to just 2mg daily over the next 2 days & hopefully will be done with it at that point.
Im scared of facing the pain associated with my condition, but Im terrified of dying from long-term use & leaving my son alone.
The road to recovery is like climbing a mountain – it’s a struggle to get to the top but the view is breath-taking once you get there & worth every painful step along the way.
Well.. Im going in… time to take the big plunge that all us ope heads fear it’s time to get my life back on track! I live in south Florida so “blues” (oxycodone) as we call them is a huge epidemic here. I see people from all over the nation come here to visit these pain management clinics and not like other states they don’t charge by the mg here so typically they got for ten bux a pop and it’s everywhere so imagine how hard it is to stop when it’s so accessable. Tomorrow begins the first day of detox and I am dreading the thought of wrestless legs, and sleepless nights. I just want to progress with life and move on but this isn’t the first time I’ve been down this road the last time I withdrawled I had the pleasure of being in puerto RICO and trying to put on a straight face for my family so they wouldn’t suspect such a sudden and severe “illness”… terrible time but hey I went through it for the first week then by the next week I was great and able to enjoy myself.. I too am a believer of god and I thanked him everyday for taking me out of my junkie routine and bribing me to a 2 week hell/ paradise but as soon as I touch down in that ft lauderdale airport I felt that urge stronger then ever and went back to those same friends doing the same old dope routine so I absolutly agree with what you said about affirmation because the little voice in your head is so influential in a time like this and what sucks is that you know all of your aches and pains will go away with one…little…pill! I should have done my researcher before I even got into this but I can’t knock it because I’ve learned so much from my addiction and detox experience so I hope this time my experience will be a lesson learned not an on going session. Opiates, life changing and life stopping your whole life is on hold through your addiction all the way to the bitter end (withdrawal). Thank you for your post and everyones comments it’s comfortig to know that your not the only one feeling it and oh yeah I can wait to get that libido back It shocked me to see that I wasn’t the only withdrawing horny toad in the world! my god I was so stiff!!! time to jerk it again LOL thanx for everything
I’ve been through Valium withdrawl before.. It was 40 days of hell. I was taking Mom’s Vicodin but she passed away. I want to quit but now I have to. I was only taking 3 Vic a day but am feeling anxious and running to the bathroom. I have to work and take care of fmaily too. I do have some Xanax but I dont want to get hooked on those too! How long will this last? Are the WD symptoms the same for Opiates as Valium/.Xanax?> It feels like it. I took some Xanax to sleep the last few nights and really want one now but that WD was horrible DOnt want to be hooked on them again..Glad I found this site. I took pills to cope with Moms illness and all the other things in my life. Now I have no reason. I want to be clean.. once a druggie always a druggie.I hate that. This site is great.. thanks for the words from everyone!
wish me luck! Sue
Sue,
Thanks for posting.
Although some things may feel similar, withdrawals from benzodiazepines are far different, and much more dangerous. I’d recommend you avoid them, especially if you don’t trust your own ability to control your use. I know it’s tough Sue, but that whole “once an addict, always an addict” is deceiving. There are plenty of other things that you can use to “feed” that part of your brain. The first order of business is for you to get enough clean time under your belt so you can think clearly, then as soon as you can, find other activities that turn you on. Drug addiction is a sort of romance, but eventually the romance ends, and it you just end up with a REALLY bad habit. There are so many other “romances” that can last forever. For me they’re exercise and writing for me. What are yours?
Hi Adam, last night, when I got home from work. I was feeling good. then at about 7 that WD feeling came back.. I took a Xanax. I will not take any during the day.. as much as I feel like crap today.. I wont wont wont take a Xanax.. I just cant go without sleep at night tho. I have to work. I just lost my Mom and had about a week off with her dying so taking time off is not an option. I love love love the gym but can go like this. I will begin the gym as soon as I feel better. My gosh. the headache!! Its so awful. These feelings seem to be the same to me as with WD from the Benzos.. just with the Diarrhea and nausea. This sucks. man.. seriously My head ache hurts so bad! I have about 60 vicodin and 100 morphine tabs at home.. Boy, id love to pop one right now.. but I’m trying very very hard not to. So far so good. Should I be tapering? Is the WD easier when you taper? I spent so many years being clean. Cant believe I’m here again. Thanks so much to everyone for your writings.. I wish All of you good luck.. we can do this. I look foward to reading again tomorrow.. ! I know I shouldnt take the benzos.. but I just cant do this without it. I’ll try to go without sleep on the weekend.. that will be ugly I am sure. Should this last like a few days? A week? It was 40 days getting off a 10-15 10mg pill habit of benzos… I have only been taking 2-3 Vicodin a day.. cant believe I am here again.. just cant believe it.
Hey all.. ok today is day.. I forget.. Like 5 i’ve dealt with taper and full detox. I took 1/2 a pill yesterday at 300pm and .05 Xanax last night.. Slept Ok.. woke up just fine. Feeling a little anxiety.. but it’s about 1045 am and I feell pretty good. I am lucky I didnt get into taking more than 2-4 Vics a day… But I feel good.. Its friday.. Once I get through today I’ll be able to at least go without sleep if I have to or cut the Xanax in half… Its so hard.. this is such a great website.. thanks so much to all comments… I wish everyone luck.. Whatever you do. DONT get hooked on BENZO!! Xanax, Valium, Atavian… THAT WD is WORSE took me 40 days of hell!! pure hell.. I’m on my way.
today is about a week or so on my taper.. going well!! feeling good. Only took 1/2 Vic each day for about 4 days now. .25 of a .20 Xanax at night to sleep… No WD symptoms now that require Vics.. Still a bit of craving and some minor headaches. taking IBUs for that… I think I am done with the hard stuff.. I hvae not yet been back to the gym but it’s on my radar for this weekend. I’ve been emotional but I expected that.. Just lost my Mom so I’m feeling it.. Anyway, good luck to all.. thank you for letting me share!
It breaks my heart to see so many hurting people who have become addicted to the meds that they NEEDED for whatever reason. I have a failed, 3-level fusion in my back. It hurts every day. I have been on pain meds for about 9 years. It started innocently enough, but I’ve had 4 surgeries in this time frame, each one putting me in more pain. I went from 4 Norco to 10, then to Oxy’s, and a bunch in between. I am not one who can go cold turkey. I did some research and found out about Kratom on the web. It helped me enormously in the early days, (just this past November). But since I have had to take it every day to not feel the pain of W/D, I have since become addicted to the tea! Despite the fact that it is not an opiate, it works the same way in the brain, and now I am fighting with tea W/Ds! My doctor gave me a clonidine patch, which is great because I have high blood pressure, but it isn’t really helping with the W/D symptoms very much. As a cautionary note, the tea can be helpful, but can also cause problems. I haven’t taken an opioid pain pill in about 3 weeks, which is a long time for me, but I do have to drink the tea.
I hate the fact that the screwed my back up so bad that I became addicted to pills. Even now I question the idea of coming off pain meds with a screwed-up back. My heart goes out to everyone struggling with this issue. It has been mentioned numerous times, and is worth repeating, if you have not gone through W/Ds you don’t know what it’s like!
Hello all, I’m very thankful for forums like this. I’ve been on Tramadol for several years now. It IS a wonder drug, at first, but it is hell after that. It is highly addictive and incredibly hard to get off of, especially since it’s so readily available, stay away from it. Because Tram induces euphoria and a state of well-being without the cognitive impairment seen with other opioids it can cause severe dependence both physically and mentally. It’s sudden action on serotonin and norepinephrine levels give it a stimulant like effect as well as adding to the “euphoria”, but it also makes it that much harder to get off of. The first few days of Tram W/D see all the usual symptoms of other opiates as well as fatigue and depression that is really unbelievable. You can’t sleep but you can’t move, it’s hell, and you see no hope in sight.
I’m past the physical addiction, 14 days, but the mental addiction is tough. You develop a lifestyle of just taking a few pills and having everything be all right, you have energy, mental well being, drive, and focus, as well as good pain relief. Living without that ability is very hard, I feel, every minute, like I need something to take the edge off, to give me a mild euphoria, just to make it ok. That’s a very hard part.
I’ve found that a few natural remedies really have helped with the physical W/D’s as well as some of the mental part.
5-HTP first thing in the morning, on an empty stomach helps with mood and energy.
L-Tyrosine and B6. L-tyrosine is an amino acid that functions as a precursor for stimulating neurotransmitters like norepinephrine and dopamine. You have to take them together or they will not work. I take at least 2000 mg of Tyr and 100mg of B6 in the morning, a half hour or so after the 5-HTP. I take the same again later in the day, as energy levels start dropping. These have been lifesavers for me.
I am really considering trying Kratom though. Just for the calming and mental effect, the old need to take something maybe. I’ve heard good things but I don’t want to become addicted to that as well. If I could use Tramadol like you’re supposed to, take a few a day, I totally would. It does have great benefits, but your tolerance rises quickly and it becomes like crack, you need it all the time!
Been on pain pills for a long time and sick of it this is day 1 and im never going back wish you all good luck and i sure hope i can do this
Hi my name is sharae and i have went through withdrawals along with my husband… We got on suboxone and it was a wonderful drug. We started off on lortabs to oxy to methadone and finally found suboxone. Yes it is one of the best things out there that can help you but getting off of suboxone is about the same as getting off of a low dose of lortabs or oxycotin. You still have withdrawals, maybe not as bad but you still have them and you have to be ready to get off of them, but if you are still taking oxycotin or methadone i think you should try to switch to suboxone if you don’t think you can pull through it which i think you all can but once you switch to suboxone i would start tapering off of that immediatly cause it’s a little easier than oxycotin or methadone. I wish you all the best of luck and i know you can do it if i did.. Have faith…
I have gone through WD 2 times. I can promise, if you can get hold of, Lyrica or Neurontin will do 2 MAJOR THINGS!! 1) YOU WILL SLEEP 2) you will not be getting that jerky/crawling out of your skin. I recommend immodium and 2 lyrica 150mg 2Xs daily. I worked so well, I actually wrote to the company to recommend they study it as a WD med. It makes sense because it is usually perscribed for fibrmyagia and nerve pain. You may even sleep too much. I had access to aderall as well so I functioned ALMOST normally.
If you try it, please let me know how it works for you.
love n light
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AFTERTHOUGHT: I as well, am in chronic pain, brusius, osteo and rhumatoid arthritus, also general artrhpathy (my bone are deteriorating,.. no know cause), I am allergic to Nsaids, Methadone and fentanyl. It’s hard because I can’t take anything for the inflamation so often times my hips actually burn, swell and get red to the point one can feel the heat coming through my jeans,…. and just wearing jeans hurts. I take about 8 norco 10s a day. I am trying to wean off with the help of the Lyrica. I’m so sick of being a slave to medication. Seems I’m in constant pain regardless. I don’t know what I’m going to do if the pain increases without the meds. WHAT A CRAZY RIDE!!
Me and my wife have been addicted to opiates methadone xanax and other types we want to get off 1 problem we have is us getting off has to be confidential i guess what were asking is when 2 people want to quit is it best to do it at the same time or 1 first and other be support to get them through it my wife has been on pills for about 5 years myself i was ran over by construction bulldozer and i deal with legit pain i just cant control how i take em but id rather deal with my real pain then withdraw we been marrried 18 years raised 3 kids and kept things pretty private with our personal issues ive been on pain pills since 1991 but enough is enough real pain is easier to deal with then withdraw any suggestions and for Mike lets just say thats easier said then done i feel if i dont stop the pills will end my life somehow i get liver checks my wifes a nurse so i know i have to be careful i dont drink alcohol at all but for the last 4 years i probably stay up 3 days straight till body finally gives up i use to be a aircraft mechanic till i got laid off thats when i started taking more im just and my end with this i wont take methadone been there we just wanna stop and what over the counter meds we can take and any suggestions would be greatly appreciated ty
Ray and Jennifer:
I also was hooked for 5 years straight I have only been clean ahad to take tylenol pm and nightbout 6 weeks it so hard. The first thing I would tell you is get some Valium or something to get you through the first 4 days its tough I didnt have anything at it was hell and also some pepto for stomach issues. I took tylenol pm to try and sleep but its still hard for me to sleep at night. I pretty much did it with nothing it was crazy dont recommend it at all but it gets better for sure! Throw all your pills away if you have them you will take them. God bless you and prayers for yall i am here if you need to talk.
Reading all these stories makes me feel like I’m looking at my own life through others eyes. My first withdrawal lasted weeks, and months and I SWORE to myself that I would NEVER touch an opiate again. After no energy, drive or motivation for a few months, I couldn’t stand it and went back to the Doc. I am a fool, and am once again going through the motions of w/d and saying this is it….this HAS to be the last time. I went from 700, 30mg Oxy’s a month and then some to nothing on my own, thought I would die, but swore I would never do it again. Now I feel like this is the story of my life, I plan my life around when and if I will have pills, I have more than 1 Dr. right now, I am afraid of getting in trouble and I am more afraid of another day in bed sweating, puking and suicidal. I also did suboxone, which I believe was a huge help to me, until I weaned off of it and knew that opiates would work again and maybe even stronger. I still have an un-Godly tolerance for meds and Doc’s never believe me, so I ALWAYS run out…I do suffer from a herniated disc in my neck, so half the people around me in my life think I do need the meds, and the other half think I am a druggy and have taken just about everything away from me that means anything. I missed my Nephews birth, because I took pills from my sister, and it has taken time to heal our relationship, why doesn’t anything scare or hurt me enough? I haven’t seen anything on here, but with all my experience with w/d I have found that taking Neurontin ( Gabapentin ) almost completely kills all symptoms for me and recommend it to my drug counselor as part of my kick regimen. It is not hard to get from your doc, and I truly swear by it, better than anything else, besides sleeping through w/d’s on Benzo’s. I want to be free…and just be “normal” again…
Hello everyone, this has def been one of the most helpful sites I have come across (in terms of fighting opiate withdrawals). I have found a little secrest that has helped me tremendously through this hell. It is called RainDrop Therapy, it is a massage that utilizes essential oils to recharge, and balance your body’s natural electrical system. It literally cuts out the worst withdrawal symptoms almost completely, and is very helpful for getting some deep sleep. I highly recommend it, it has saved my life. Another thing I do on a habitual basis (at least once a week) are Ionic Foot Baths, these to work wonders and really help to pull all of that crap out of your system. I’m telling you guys/girls look into it and research it. Take my word, it wont steer you wrong.
Hi Everyone,
My boyfriend and I have been using perc’s and subs for a lil over 3 years now. I generally take about 40 mgs of Percs daily. It started as a stupid “favor” from a friend, (give her a ride home and she’d give me some percs) WORST MISTAKE I EVER MADE. This of course led to NEEDING them. When the funds would run low, as they *always* do LOL, I would go and buy subs because they were cheaper than my perc habit. Another tragic mistake. Now i am sick of doing this, sick of scrounging for $$ to buy this crap, sick of feeling sick when I don’t have it, sick of planning my day around finding something, anything to take to kill the pain of W/D.
So, here is my game plan:
Colleen – your post was amazing and I want to make out with you lol. But I intend on following your guidelines as much as possible, since it seems you did your homework. I am not in a position to go to a doctor or detox facility (I work in daycare- dispicable, I KNOW. Sorry Moms.) Can’t risk having something like that on my record, permanent or otherwise lol.
I will start I guess with the chelated magnesium for the RLS, which for me, is hands down the WORST part of it. Then, I will try maybe not ambien (no med ins.) but some sort of sleep aid. Someone suggested B-6 and L-Tyrosine for the depression aspect, which is cheap enough considering what one dishes out per day on their “habit”. Also, lotsa gatorade, bananas, and oatmeal – I say this, but, who knows what i will be able to keep down, I am a puker : ( I also, do not have a bathtub, sucks, will have to suck it up with hot showers I guess.
But I really just wanted to say thank you to everyone on this website and it’s administrator. I really think talking/writing about it is helpful. At least now, I know I’m not alone. Someone else has had to do this with out going to Rehab and they survived.
If anyone has advice for me aside from “Hang in there…”, or sees a serious flaw in my game plan, I would greatly appreciate your post!!!
If my plan works, i will let you all know, plan on coming to this page regularly…..
Good luck everyone!!!
I have been on Suboxone for over a year now, and since Monday of Last week, exactly a week ago, I have not taken anything. This is day 8. I feel anxious that I am getting off of the dependence and that I no longer need suboxone, to subdue the withdrawal symptoms. I have a question, I have read a lot of information about suboxone being a great substitute for the opiate cravings, and helps to reside all withdrawal until I am comfortable to completely come off of it. But I have also read that suboxone can be worse than other opiates completely because of the amount of time it takes to completely leave the body. I do not have any desire to take opiates at this point, but even at day 8, I am still getting the shakes, and cramps during the night. Is this normal, and my last week of dosing was 4mg. How long will this last? 8 days is a long time to be withdrawing and if I had known this when I first started, I would have resorted to other methods, or just come off of them completely back then. I appreciate your response!
-Matt
hey everyone, im sure your not here trying to learn how to bake cookies. your here for the same reason I am. You are going through the opiate withdraws that are famous for causing relapse. You definitely do not want to go through this ever again, but your brain is demanding opiates.(literally) trust me, ive been there, done that and got the free tee shirt. First I want to give a little encouragement to everyone. You can do this!!!! Your way stronger than a little pill, so dont let it overpower you anymore!!!! Now I want to be real with everyone. Im not in this situation because of opiate use, im here because of opiate abuse!!!! I did this to me, I didnt have any help. I read that some of you got here off of honest doctors prescriptions. I even think some of the people might even blame their doctors.(sorry wind if you happen to read this, migraines are a bitch, im not gonna judge you) that is the power these drugs have. I myself went to my doctor to tell him the dose he had me on wasnt effective, so he prescribed me a larger dose, which again wasnt effective enough, and so on and so forth. of course, his idea of “effective” and my idea of “effective” was 2 different definitions. you see, he was just treating a mild pain in my lower back caused by a football injury in h.s……….And I found out quick how “painless” these pills could make me. however, by the end of the script the 2 hydro 7.5’s I was taking every 2 hrs no longer had its former euphoria. (pain was gone in my back tho) So I played the system and ended up on o.c.’s for a mild back pain. next thing you know “I would take 2 pills in the morning, Id take 3 more at night. id take 2 pills in the afternoon and still didnt feel alright.” By the time I realized I was in the water It was too deep to touch the bottom. So everyday I would spend all of my resources just to keep my head above water. (metaphor for tolerance) I have Kicked the habit several times just to relapse and use again in less than a week.. However, I am really hoping this is the last ever detox for myself. I am on day 4 and starting to feel a little better. I want to remind everyone that using drugs like methadone and suboxin are not going to get rid of withdraws, they will just put them off til a later date. Eventually you will have to tough it out and get it over with. Withdraw symptoms from opiates are all over the map, as the drugs affect different people differently. ( I have a friend that will pass out with just one hydrocodone 10, yet opiates fire me up and get me going) So there is no quick fix or cure-all for this hell your feeling. My advice is to treat the individual symptoms. trying to treat all symptoms without drug use is impossible. For me, I find taking 2 or 3 tylenol will help with the stomach problems caused by withdraws. If you are taking hydros in mass quantaties, then this will work for you, as you probably have acetominphin trying to flush out of your system. tylenol or ibuprofen will also help with the phantom pains you can get when detoxing. another problem I have is I feel like I just cant get out of bed, Its almost like ive been tranquilized and cant wake up all the way. I find that if I do force myself out of bed and go sit on the couch and watch some tv, I start coming around. I also swear by the black label 5 hour energy. This usually helps me atleast go to work. but sometimes I still feel like a zombie. For sleeping I recommend benadryl, or nyquil. also, now Is a good time to actually follow the directions on the bottles of otc meds you might use. your obviously not very good at taking the recommended dose, so this is a good will power exercise. Also, I have another suggestion for those of you suffering from depression. We are currently doing a study where depressed people are placed in isolation with only their favorite music. our professor swears that receptors such as opiod, and seratonin are affected when someone is listening to a song which they either really like, or a song that brings back happy memories such as childhood memories. so if you get desperate, get on youtube and look up your favorite song and see if helps the depression and bad mood in general. For me my song is called Winter by Josh Radin…..Good luck everyone.
I have been on methadone for almost 2 years now, before that is was MS Contin, before that it was Lortabs, and before that it was Vicodin. I injured my back and was medically discharged after 8 years of active duty back in 2006, and have been on a rollercoaster of pain meds every since. On top of all of this I was diagnosed wth Narcolepsy(no cataplexy, thank God) shortly after my last tour in the desert. I got hooked on amphetamines for the daytime sleepiness, even took Desoxyn for a while, but the dexedrine was what really changed my brain chemistry after being on it for almost 3 years. Thanks to Nuvigil, I was able to get rid of all of the amphetamines, but the methadone has started making me someone I do not want to be. I told my doc and they seemed to think I was just seeking something that would give me a high and all but blew me off. They did however give me two weeks of Vicodin and tell me I could get through the WD. I have been told by my neurologist that depression has been proven to be genetically linked to narcolepsy. My family needs me right now, and I cannot let myself slip into depression again. Alcoholism runs heavily in my family, and since we just moved back to my home town, it is the only thing I feel I have right now, but that is the last thing I need, an addiction that’s WD can kill me. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated at this point. I’m feeling pretty alone and out of choices(no, I’m not suicidal, just had to put that in there to make sure no one got any ideas. I was an Non-Commissioned Officer for a number of years, and they drill that stuff in pretty hard and deep.)
I have been on methadone for almost 2 years now, before that is was MS Contin, before that it was Lortabs, and before that it was Vicodin. I injured my back and was medically discharged after 8 years of active duty back in 2006, and have been on a rollercoaster of pain meds every since. On top of all of this I was diagnosed wth Narcolepsy(no cataplexy, thank God) shortly after my last tour in the desert. I got hooked on amphetamines for the daytime sleepiness, even took Desoxyn for a while, but the dexedrine was what really changed my brain chemistry after being on it for almost 3 years. Thanks to Nuvigil, I was able to get rid of all of the amphetamines, but the methadone has started making me someone I do not want to be. I told my doc and they seemed to think I was just seeking something that would give me a high and all but blew me off. They did however give me two weeks of Vicodin and tell me I could get through the WD. I have been told by my neurologist that depression has been proven to be genetically linked to narcolepsy. My family needs me right now, and I refuse to slip into depression again. Any advice or help would be greatly appreciated at this point.
My husband and I have been taking opiates for almost two years now. I had never done them before except some weak vicocdin for an arm injury in high school. He was fresh out of rehab when I met him. He has abused opiates for years, always norco for a back condition where he had to have L4 and L5 fused. After a while he was on them again and being the good girlfriend I tried my hardest to stop his usage. I tried hiding them, telling doctors he couldn’t have them, leaving him, and being the biggest b**** in the world all to get him to stop. Nothing worked. He just hid them from me but I could always tell. In a weird turn of events I had to have my appendix removed and was put on demerol and norco for the surgery and after recovery. At the same time my husband found a “friend” at the gym that introduced him to oxycontin. He was in love with the drug and as soon as he came home he shared his love with me. I too fell in love. I thought once I was healed I could get off, no big deal. WRONG. Over a year my usage jumped up 6 tgo 8 80mg oc’s a day. His on the other hand was up to 15 to 20 80mg pills a day.
I was worried about myself but most of all I feared every morning waking up and him not being with me any more. I was so terrified of an overdose. Luckily God was on our side and a week after we got married he went and checked himself into rehab. It saved his life. I myself had to do it on my own at home since no one knew I too was addicted. I had to pretend I was a happy newlywed when I really wanted to crawl into the fetal position and never open my eyes again. My husband is now on suboxone at the rehab center and has lost almost 40 lbs in a little less than a month. I on the other hand had a harder time. This forum has saved my life. I felt so alone and with him gone I felt like I was the only one out there going through hell. Reading your stories has given me so much hope. I still have cravings but when I do, I read your stories and it helps more than anyone can know. A few things that saved my life during my week in hell. Clonidine, get it from your doctor. It is a blood pressure pill that completely helped me with the anxiety, sweats, and RLS. Music. I can’t express how much music played a role in my recovery. I still listen to the same song over and over again. It just takes your mind to a better place. Tramadol is evil and I do not recomend it to anyone it can make you very, very depressed. Benzos are also addictive so try to stay away.
The part I am struggling with is the fact that I still have cravings. It’s been almost a month and they are all I can think about. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.
Sorry for the ramble but all of your stories have helped me so much I really hope mine will help someone too. Thank you all for sharing. It means the world to me.
sex went from hrs to seconds gosh how do u explain that to your partner/s and how long will this not so talked about side effect last ??????
Hi everyone i’ve been reading your stories and have decided that I need to get clean too. I have been taking anywhere from 6-13 10mg vicodine per day for the past year or so. I got into a bad accedent about a year and a half ago and was prescribed 5.5s and quickly moved up to 7.5s and then the 10’s so I know I’m goin to have a difficult task. Can someone help me in some insight of how long u think I might feel like shit and how long untill I feel normal again. Mabey just a round about time frame, thanks. Good luck to all and stay strong it’s gotta get worse before it can get better, one day at a time we all work to have a better life.
i’ve been on ms contin for about 3 years doing like 3 100 mg. a day plus was doing dilaudid 4mgs on top of it. ive never got them perscripted. i had a friend who got loads of narcos. and plus i was getting them really cheap. i eventually got totally addicted, full blown and im only twenty three. i eventually got cut off after the guy met a girl with like 6 kids. she got in good with him in only 2 weeks. he eventually cut me off cold turkey. its been 8 full days off the shit. i feel WAY better now, but i get cold easily and often think about it. i have spent over thousands of dollars on it. now a days i think about how bad WDs are and how much worrying you have to go through when you dont have any. not to mention all the moeny i could have. at one time i though to have a script has a blessing, but now i know its a curse. ive had a good attitude so far. ive been smoking erb alot lately just to make me feel better. its sad as hell to see so many people who have been slaved to this crap. good luck to everyone trying to get clean. its hard but i never thought i could go twelve hours with out it. i woke up with it, went all day on it, and went to sleep on it. it was an ever days thing. it was normal. but now im amazed that i even lived through it. i had such a high tolerance it wasnt even funny. but anyway, i just been researching alot about WD and how long it lasts. and just to be clear… i went 4 years not WD once. i made it a pact that if i had to go 2-3 days with out i would just quit. i know people who pay a dollar a mg. that is so ridiculous. well good luck to all. peace-
update:…..i was clean for about 12 days straight. not even WD’n anymore. then my brother who is an addict himself called me and told me he could get some dilaudid. since im an addict i did it. im scared that if i do it even one time i’ll have to WD all over again….is this true?the easiest part is getting off them….the hard part is staying away. everyone i know do pills and opiates, i other day i did 10mg of liquid dilaudid in one shot….it was awsome but i did feel kinda guilty when i did it. what should i do
Wow… i read a lot of posts on here and its good to know that we are not the only ppl goingthrough this ( by WE i mean my husband and I). Although i hate to hear that anyone is addcited to thesedamn things. I have been doing them for about a year this time…..the longest out of all the times i have been addicted to them. I do have legit pain and it only gets worse with the withdrawls and that is why i am so scared. My husbandhad back surgery in june of 09 and he is also addicted to them. Im finding that the hardest part is the mental part and the depression…im just wondering if anyone has any suggestions as far as that goes. We have 2 children so its hard to go on with life through the withdrawls and i am seriously considering going to try to get some of that suboxone i think its called but i dont know if that is risky also. I have heard horror stories about methadone and even took it oncebefore and didnt like the way it made me feel. Is that other medication the same? Does anyone know? Don’t know if i will be able to check this site again so can u please e-mailme with replies? i would appreciate it a lot! swanmama33@gmail.com
It is great having a thread like this to “HELP” me out. I have been on ‘done for 5 years for Migranes. I noticed my headaches gradually got worse as I became tolerant to the drug. I am TIRED of playing the “game”. I tapered from 120 mg of md down to 10 mg a day over a week and took my last dose 2 days ago. Claratin is the only thing keeping my nose from running off of my face. Thank all of you for your ideas and how you feel. I thought I was the only one who didn’t sleep, couldn’t eat, etc…. This is beatable and I am counting down the days where this drug doesn’t consume my every waking (and sleeping) thought. God Bless all of you and GOOD LUCK!!
ive been taking 10-15 norcos for about 6 mos – not for pain though. i started with 2-3 pills to get high and then it snowballed and next thing i knew, i was hooked and couldnt start the day without 1, then without 2, then without 3 and so forth. i had opportunitiues to stop before and not deal with w/ds but i was an idiot and i wanted to get high. it finally kicked me in the head for the fact that i was spending thousands a month. i would look at people and get jealous at the fact that they dont need a pill to make it thru the day. that actually depressed me to the point that i would rather eat a bullet than quit. but i decided screw it and took the plunge. i decided to follow the thomas recipe and it is a lot better that it was last time i tried to go cold turkey (and i couldnt taper because it i had pills, i would eat them.)
anyways, im on day 3 (actually 70 hrs since last dose) and its getting better. im experiencing upset stomach and fatigue but most of the symptons have subsided. although the chills and RLS have little occurences. i highly suggest taking walks and getting out of the house as soon as you can – hopefully getting thew excerise will help you sleep – that is the thing i cant get yet. good luck to everyone
I have been prescribed vicodin for 5 years. I have also gone through detox in the past only to go back later because of pain. I have several serious diagnosis’. I can honestly say that using vitamins and minerals and protien shakes (with all amino acids). Which you can get cheaply at walmart or health food stores. Help dramatically for fatigue aches and RLS. Magnesium is reparitive to RLS. L-Tyrosine feeds the receptors that produce happy responses. These things are found in food but if you take them to repair the deficieny you will get some relief. Also, withdrawal-ease is a company online that has helped me. It cuts the withdrawals down a lil bit. I do however have a serious question though; I am getting tingling in my brain and pressure and I because of that am getting anxiety. I am worried that it is mental ilness and am wondering if it is than when I quit will I restore my brains proper function?
I am not trying to demean anyones addiction or withdrawal issues here, but it seems like most people here are using relatively weak pain killers like hydrocodone.
I had an IV heroin habit for 2 years which I broke only by going onto a methadone program for about 5 years. I quit cold turkey off 41mg 15 days ago and am doing well enough. I sleep probably every other night or every night but at sporatic times (thanks to restless leg) since the first day of the withdrawal. I am getting better daily but this will surely drag out another 2 weeks at least.
Every opiate has its own severity of withdrawal effects. The thing you have to remember with a vicodin or oxy addiction is that it -will- be over for the most part after 7-10 days. Really, that isn’t shit. Personally, kicking the heroin was worse for me than the methadone but it was over much sooner. 10 days of insomnia (I got 2 hours sleep on day 8 I think) and then, finally began to sleep 4-5 hour nights. The bottom line really is that for morphine and heroin users, your withdrawals -will- be severe, but with the benefit of a short lasting withdrawal.
That said, here is what has helped me get to day 15 of no methadone:
- Clonidine – For HBP and tachycardia. It can also help with the cold sweats and the hair sticking up type feeling. Do note however that this has the side effect of making me weak for a few hours in additino to the withdrawal weakness, but I think it is worth it. Take it at bed time only if you can.
- Clonazepam (Klonipin)- This stuff can help moderately with insomnia. I have tried things like melatonin with no such luck at all. If you take a high enough dose of this, you will probably pass out. I can’t remember having a single dream since using these, but the goal is really just to ge tto the next day.
L-Tyrosine- This helps for energy, and it helps me quite a lot. The Heroin withdrawal was severe symptoms. Every known opiate withdrawal symptom at its worst possible level. With the methadone the worst has been the malaise. I can’t walk around a store for longer than 5 minutes without having to sit down. This stuff will really help with that. Just don’t take it any where close before bed time. 1000-1500mg seems to work well.
-A strong, pharmecutical grade multi-vitamin: Since taking these (which I recommend doubling up on for the beginning) I have no real diahrrhea symptoms. Its also necessary when you just can’t stomach most foods.
Other than this I am sure there are more supplements out there. Doctor David Arnesons method(google it) of treatment uses many herbal supplements along with the typical clonidine/benzo combination for withdrawal that almost any internal medicine doctor should be able to perscribe you. If not, go to a walk in clinic because these two are probably the most helpful.
If you are really ready to quit, there is hope. Every 24 hours from your last opiate dosing, mark off an X in your calendar. I still do this because sometimes days blend into the next along with the all too common saying of taking withdrawal a minute at a time. 24 hours is no joke. If you made it even that far, going back would be plain stupid unless it was your desire to get back into that kind of lifestyle which no one should have to live. Do your research and find what works best for you. if you need time off of work, take it. If you can’t, pretend you have the flu if you are able. Personally I needed 2 weeks time on my own after kicking the methadone to even consdier working again. Everyone is different though. Just remember your internist doesn’t know everything there is about opiate withdrawal. They may be a great doctor, but specializing in opiate withdrawal syndromes is a rarity. Your own research is needed.
I hope this post helps someone out there. Its currently 3am and Im unable to sleep yet so this is occupying me for now until I get tired enough to sleep. I should also mention simple walking for 10-15 minutes a day (when able) can make the insomnia much more tolerable when used in conjunction with a long acting benzo (clonzepam) . Good luck to all here just keep remembering that the days will pass. There is no stopping time. Everything in life is temporary. So will your suffering.
-Pain
I just want to add a couple positive things to my last post.
When you do get off the opiates, you will see the world in a new light. I am not talking some science fiction/religious crap here though it may feel like it. It is because the opiates constrict your pupils at all times. Once this disappates, the sun becomes brighter, the sky becomes clearer. Depending on the length of your addiction, this effect could be so dramatic you may end up needing sunglasses for awhile but in the end, it is nice. I enjoy to see the world for what it is without a mask pulled under my eyes.
Second is without a doubt the sex drive. Your hormone/testosterone levels can become severely decreased on opiates, especially the longer acting ones like methadone. Don’t fret, theres no thing wrong with you. This will go away after the withdrawal and you will find new meaning in sex. Just make sure your partner understands because, well, you won’t be lasting very long when you return to normal the first week.
Thirdly, to be able to not be dependent on a drug to get through your day is a huge thing. For years I have been programmed to get up at the same time to make it to the methadone clinic, fearing withdrawals if I didn’t. There are people that will be there for life because they hold onto this fear. Don’t buy into it. I’ve done a large amounts of IV heroin and methadone and the withdrawal, while very dragged out, ranges from mild to moderate symptoms for the majority of the time with the exception of the 4th and 5th days where symptoms peak. Even at this point it did not compare to the street drug withdrawal I had in the past. Your limit is only what you place on yourself. You dont have to be one of those people at the clinic that will be there for life. You dont have to be stuck on pain pills your whole life either especially if you are at a young age. Look into everything you can if your reason is an accident. For disc injuries, places like spinemed appear promising. The medical field is growing fast and you need to keep up with the latest technologies because some random person isnt just going to fix all your problems.
Your doctors might have the best intentions but surely very few of them have truely experienced what we have been through. The value to this is worth more than any standard medical school training one could receive. People will try to help you with their best intentions, but these intentions are based on their own education and assumptions. I would take advice from an ex junky who kicked than most internists any day.
In the end, through research and dedication, anyone can get off this stuff. The one thing I always remember is that ‘it can always be worse’. It can _always_ be worse.
Hi all,
Thanks for posting all of your stories, thought I’d share mine. I’ve taken vicodins and oxycodones off and on for a few years, never in doses more that literally one pill a day and never had an issue. Then in the last year or so I got a supply and thankfully still had the will power to never go over 20mg of oxy in a day. I only take them when I get home, usually 7.5mg around 6pm, the maybe another 7.5 mg around 8. That’s all. Anyone else on a very small regiment for a while? Should I expect crazy withdrawl? The last stuff I took was 15 mg, about 24 hours ago, and just took a Darvocet and a half of a xanax because I don’t know what to expect. There are a lot of horror stories on here that don’t list dosages. Can someone let me know whether I’ll kinda be fine? I had a bit of a headache and flu feeling near the end of work today, and I’m hoping that’s the worst of it.
Thanks!
-Dave
Have you ever cheated during detox just once and how far did it set yoiu back
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