Comments on: Opiates and the Immune System http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/ Getting Through Detox Mon, 06 Feb 2012 18:56:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Shannon http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-16218 Shannon Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:49:18 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-16218 Ive been an avid user for the last year and a half. I couldnt tell you why I started using in the first place...I guess it was more of a "fun" thing to do. Unfortunately, just like any other drug that someone abuses, it became too much of a habit, and I began liking it too much. The small dosages, such as 1 5mg tablet a day (mainly in the evenings) would do the job. It would make me feel awesome. But then I discovered that 2 felt even better. Then I found out that one of my "friends" had/has an ongoing presciption for the 10/325 mg tablets. Needless to say, thats the route I would go. When her prescription ran out, and I had bought everything she had had, I would go through other resrouces. I would recruit my boyfriend to check with his friends if they had anything, and some of them did. I would use tramadol's for the time being to replace what I really wanted. I would find excuses to go to the doctor, and to see if I could get a prescription for painkillers. Ear aches, back aches, headaches, etc. Ive dug into my savings that my grandmother had started for me years before she had passed away. Ive wasted so much money on this damn habit. Unfortunately, its gotten to the point where I find it hard to function through the day without one. It may only be one, but that seemed to calm me down...just knowing that I had them. To me, in my mind, for the longest time up until I discovered this site, I would always tell myself that my habit is not NEAR as bad as others. That I was blessed that ive "limited" myself as much as I have. However, isnt that the addicts disease? To tell themselves that they aren't truely an addict? that it could be worse? They could be worse? I suppose I still tell myself this, but Ive finally made a decision that Its time to stop. Im embarassed because the only 2 people that know of my problem are my boyfriend and my "friend" that I get these from. No one else knows, and I can honestly tell you that no one else will ever know. Only people I dont really know, such as you guys. I know thats not "safe" for recovery, but to me thats how its got to be. So far, I am only on day 1 of true detox. I had made the decision to stop at the beginning of the year, but of course for New Years Eve, I went on a binge. So with the few that I had left, I began tapering off. Thus, today being the first day I have NOTHING. So far, I am only about 16 hours into my detox, but I can already feel the symptoms. Not only have the body aches began to set in, the emotions are crazy. I have the shakes, and im incredibly restless. To make matters worse I have an awful cold that I cant tell is awful because its a cold, or if its just enhanced by the withdrawal symptoms. I can honestly say, and I am very grateful, that my boyfriend has stuck by me for these years knowing I have this habit. He knows that this cannot continue, and I feel just awful that I used him to aid in my problem. As of this point, I just need some words of encouragement, some tips, some help. My boyfriend keeps telling me it will be okay, and Im an incredibly strong woman, but right now....I just dont know. Ive been an avid user for the last year and a half. I couldnt tell you why I started using in the first place…I guess it was more of a “fun” thing to do. Unfortunately, just like any other drug that someone abuses, it became too much of a habit, and I began liking it too much. The small dosages, such as 1 5mg tablet a day (mainly in the evenings) would do the job. It would make me feel awesome. But then I discovered that 2 felt even better. Then I found out that one of my “friends” had/has an ongoing presciption for the 10/325 mg tablets. Needless to say, thats the route I would go. When her prescription ran out, and I had bought everything she had had, I would go through other resrouces. I would recruit my boyfriend to check with his friends if they had anything, and some of them did. I would use tramadol’s for the time being to replace what I really wanted. I would find excuses to go to the doctor, and to see if I could get a prescription for painkillers. Ear aches, back aches, headaches, etc. Ive dug into my savings that my grandmother had started for me years before she had passed away. Ive wasted so much money on this damn habit. Unfortunately, its gotten to the point where I find it hard to function through the day without one. It may only be one, but that seemed to calm me down…just knowing that I had them. To me, in my mind, for the longest time up until I discovered this site, I would always tell myself that my habit is not NEAR as bad as others. That I was blessed that ive “limited” myself as much as I have. However, isnt that the addicts disease? To tell themselves that they aren’t truely an addict? that it could be worse? They could be worse? I suppose I still tell myself this, but Ive finally made a decision that Its time to stop. Im embarassed because the only 2 people that know of my problem are my boyfriend and my “friend” that I get these from. No one else knows, and I can honestly tell you that no one else will ever know. Only people I dont really know, such as you guys. I know thats not “safe” for recovery, but to me thats how its got to be. So far, I am only on day 1 of true detox. I had made the decision to stop at the beginning of the year, but of course for New Years Eve, I went on a binge. So with the few that I had left, I began tapering off. Thus, today being the first day I have NOTHING. So far, I am only about 16 hours into my detox, but I can already feel the symptoms. Not only have the body aches began to set in, the emotions are crazy. I have the shakes, and im incredibly restless. To make matters worse I have an awful cold that I cant tell is awful because its a cold, or if its just enhanced by the withdrawal symptoms. I can honestly say, and I am very grateful, that my boyfriend has stuck by me for these years knowing I have this habit. He knows that this cannot continue, and I feel just awful that I used him to aid in my problem. As of this point, I just need some words of encouragement, some tips, some help. My boyfriend keeps telling me it will be okay, and Im an incredibly strong woman, but right now….I just dont know.

]]> By: Sebastian http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-16054 Sebastian Tue, 29 Nov 2011 18:02:25 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-16054 I have to give my complete agreement on the above post. I've been using a mild form of opium for about 11 years, and I have only been sick once, (about 4 years ago), and even that was extremely mild compared to those I live with. My roommates were literally bed ridden for days with violent flu like symptoms and I remember only having a thick cough for about two days, and maybe a low fever. I never checked my official temperature. It's nice never getting sick with the flu or a cold. The only problem, like stated above is that using so consistently is not a good thing for most people. Anyway, that's my 10 cents..... I'm glad to know others have also seen this correlation thanks for the post. Aaron- if you see this. To help get yourself clean without as much pain try Kratom. It's a tropical leaf and binds to some of the same opiate receptors in your brain, which really helps beat the WD's. People in S.East Asia use Kratom as a natural alternative to Opiates to get people clean. It can also be addictive, but it is not nearly as bad, and I believe it is also legal just about everywhere, but make sure your state is cool if you are having legal troubles. I hope you get things worked out.... I have to give my complete agreement on the above post. I’ve been using a mild form of opium for about 11 years, and I have only been sick once, (about 4 years ago), and even that was extremely mild compared to those I live with. My roommates were literally bed ridden for days with violent flu like symptoms and I remember only having a thick cough for about two days, and maybe a low fever. I never checked my official temperature. It’s nice never getting sick with the flu or a cold. The only problem, like stated above is that using so consistently is not a good thing for most people. Anyway, that’s my 10 cents….. I’m glad to know others have also seen this correlation thanks for the post.
Aaron- if you see this. To help get yourself clean without as much pain try Kratom. It’s a tropical leaf and binds to some of the same opiate receptors in your brain, which really helps beat the WD’s. People in S.East Asia use Kratom as a natural alternative to Opiates to get people clean. It can also be addictive, but it is not nearly as bad, and I believe it is also legal just about everywhere, but make sure your state is cool if you are having legal troubles. I hope you get things worked out….

]]> By: Aaron http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15992 Aaron Fri, 11 Nov 2011 10:02:10 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15992 I have a question for anyone who will answer. I'm 18 years old I started using when I turned 16 and moved in my girlfriends house with her and her parents who are addicted to prescription drugs. Mainly pain medication and muscle relaxers. I started out taking a half at a time and would be high for hours. Then gradually to two n a half at a time and two years later 6 to 8 at a time. Example got a small script yesterday for 20 vics. Es 24 hours in I have 3 left. Anyways I have been on them for two years as I said a second ago and have never done without may be for a day only do to financial issues but never no longer than a day. I have a 2 year old son that I pay child support to and have visitations on weekends. I have just recently lost my job do to my addiction and had court for child support a month ago. When I went before the judge he gave a month n a half to find a job or he was going to detain me for 6 months. I have had absolutely no luck in finding work and have a week till court. Never have I ever had to withdrawl from anything. I'm pretty scared cause I have no clue what to expect?? My patents have begged me to go to detox in jail only thing is It's jail if I go to detox I'm going to be locked up with a bunch of inmates who are not only going to be in a bad mood cause there in jail but there also going to be angry about withdrawling from drugs. Take in consideration I am I small guy only standing at 5'3 and weighing at 130 lbs. I don't know if I want to surrond my self with crazy pist off addicts withdrawling. I have a few questions and please don't be to hard on me I'm a nervous wreck , and to be honest pretty scared. Q#1: What should I be expecting as far as exp. With drawl ?? Q#2: should I tell someone in the booking process and be put in detox. Q#3: since I'm going to obviously going to be clean when I get out of jail in 6 months I plan on staying that way. Im scared that just knowing I can finally get to them I will. How can I motivate my self to not pick them back up? Someone please answer me I'm really nervous about this entire situation next week and want to know what im in store for and most of all know what i should do. I have a question for anyone who will answer. I’m 18 years old I started using when I turned 16 and moved in my girlfriends house with her and her parents who are addicted to prescription drugs. Mainly pain medication and muscle relaxers. I started out taking a half at a time and would be high for hours. Then gradually to two n a half at a time and two years later 6 to 8 at a time. Example got a small script yesterday for 20 vics. Es 24 hours in I have 3 left. Anyways I have been on them for two years as I said a second ago and have never done without may be for a day only do to financial issues but never no longer than a day. I have a 2 year old son that I pay child support to and have visitations on weekends. I have just recently lost my job do to my addiction and had court for child support a month ago. When I went before the judge he gave a month n a half to find a job or he was going to detain me for 6 months. I have had absolutely no luck in finding work and have a week till court. Never have I ever had to withdrawl from anything. I’m pretty scared cause I have no clue what to expect?? My patents have begged me to go to detox in jail only thing is It’s jail if I go to detox I’m going to be locked up with a bunch of inmates who are not only going to be in a bad mood cause there in jail but there also going to be angry about withdrawling from drugs. Take in consideration I am I small guy only standing at 5’3 and weighing at 130 lbs. I don’t know if I want to surrond my self with crazy pist off addicts withdrawling. I have a few questions and please don’t be to hard on me I’m a nervous wreck , and to be honest pretty scared. Q#1: What should I be expecting as far as exp. With drawl ?? Q#2: should I tell someone in the booking process and be put in detox. Q#3: since I’m going to obviously going to be clean when I get out of jail in 6 months I plan on staying that way. Im scared that just knowing I can finally get to them I will. How can I motivate my self to not pick them back up? Someone please answer me I’m really nervous about this entire situation next week and want to know what im in store for and most of all know what i should do.

]]> By: adam http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15965 adam Sat, 05 Nov 2011 20:39:54 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15965 yes! I have definitely noticed the immune effect with opiates. While on oxycodone, I get sick less than usual, but going off it seems to make me get a cold or flu or something like that, unrelated to the withdrawal effects. my curiosity in this phenomena led me to this forum. I do want to encourage any of you feeling stuck in your habit to look into buprenorphine, the opioid drug in suboxone, which some folks have already mentioned here. it is a partial opioid agonist which binds tightly to the receptors (hence the long half-life), but does not cause the same magnitude of stimulation that full opioid agonists do. I have found that for my 30mg/day oxy habit (which would probably be equivalent to 45mg hydro), VERY little is required to feel normal (approximately 1/2 mg/day), and it is easier to ween without feeling crappy than anything else out there. Methadone can be good for preventing yourself from getting worse, but it is not easy to ween off of at all, from what I've heard. The xanax (alprazolam) and/or dextroamphetamine ideas can help too, but you definitely don't want to wind up eating a few mg of xanax every day. That's got it's own set of problems! Dextroamphetamine is a great drug, and probably the smoothest drug-based way to increase your energy/mental-clarity/motivation/productivity while you are going through this process, but it sure won't help with your sleeping problems like alprazolam. Of course, to ween down with buprenorpine you want to figure out exactly how much it takes for you to feel normal without getting a pronounced "high" from it, and slowly and gradually reduce from there. Sometimes, getting high on bup ends in a headache, as does drinking alcohol with it, but I have never had this problem with weening doses at all. "Retro" mentioned naloxone preventing buprenorphine addiction, but this is a fallacy. Naloxone is added to some of the bup formulations to prevent people from shooting it, because naloxone will send you straight into withdrawal if you shoot it, but I don't think people on this forum are dealing with that kind of habit, so the presence of naloxone is probably negligible. Buprenorphine can really work wonders and it's a great way to make a gradual, relatively clean getaway from an opiate habit. Not all doctors are licensed to prescribe it, but if you call around you will find one. if you're smart enough that a word like "immunosuppression" doesn't confuse you, you can probably improve your predicament a lot with a little good advice, research, and experimentation. Hope this helps, and Godspeed! yes! I have definitely noticed the immune effect with opiates. While on oxycodone, I get sick less than usual, but going off it seems to make me get a cold or flu or something like that, unrelated to the withdrawal effects. my curiosity in this phenomena led me to this forum.
I do want to encourage any of you feeling stuck in your habit to look into buprenorphine, the opioid drug in suboxone, which some folks have already mentioned here. it is a partial opioid agonist which binds tightly to the receptors (hence the long half-life), but does not cause the same magnitude of stimulation that full opioid agonists do. I have found that for my 30mg/day oxy habit (which would probably be equivalent to 45mg hydro), VERY little is required to feel normal (approximately 1/2 mg/day), and it is easier to ween without feeling crappy than anything else out there. Methadone can be good for preventing yourself from getting worse, but it is not easy to ween off of at all, from what I’ve heard. The xanax (alprazolam) and/or dextroamphetamine ideas can help too, but you definitely don’t want to wind up eating a few mg of xanax every day. That’s got it’s own set of problems! Dextroamphetamine is a great drug, and probably the smoothest drug-based way to increase your energy/mental-clarity/motivation/productivity while you are going through this process, but it sure won’t help with your sleeping problems like alprazolam.
Of course, to ween down with buprenorpine you want to figure out exactly how much it takes for you to feel normal without getting a pronounced “high” from it, and slowly and gradually reduce from there. Sometimes, getting high on bup ends in a headache, as does drinking alcohol with it, but I have never had this problem with weening doses at all. “Retro” mentioned naloxone preventing buprenorphine addiction, but this is a fallacy. Naloxone is added to some of the bup formulations to prevent people from shooting it, because naloxone will send you straight into withdrawal if you shoot it, but I don’t think people on this forum are dealing with that kind of habit, so the presence of naloxone is probably negligible. Buprenorphine can really work wonders and it’s a great way to make a gradual, relatively clean getaway from an opiate habit. Not all doctors are licensed to prescribe it, but if you call around you will find one. if you’re smart enough that a word like “immunosuppression” doesn’t confuse you, you can probably improve your predicament a lot with a little good advice, research, and experimentation. Hope this helps, and Godspeed!

]]> By: Lanie http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15964 Lanie Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:38:35 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15964 "Not sure what to do?" That fog lifts after two weeks (sometimes less) of complete abstinence from all pills or mind altering chemicals. It took me about a week and a half for that fog to lift. My clumsiness went away, my sentences started making sense again. Especially since you have kids, you gotta nut up and quit entirely. My mother in law... her body broke down because of painkillers she took every day and simply died suddenly in the middle of her own home when my husband was only 18 years old. Do it for your kids. Do it for you! <3 “Not sure what to do?”

That fog lifts after two weeks (sometimes less) of complete abstinence from all pills or mind altering chemicals.

It took me about a week and a half for that fog to lift. My clumsiness went away, my sentences started making sense again.

Especially since you have kids, you gotta nut up and quit entirely.

My mother in law… her body broke down because of painkillers she took every day and simply died suddenly in the middle of her own home when my husband was only 18 years old.

Do it for your kids. Do it for you!

<3

]]> By: Lanie http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15963 Lanie Sat, 05 Nov 2011 15:34:49 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15963 Do not listen to Rich! Do not get Suboxon! It IS addictive. Heroin addicts use it to try and get off heroin. I should know! Trust me on this! What horrible advice. Don't trade one pill addiction for another... our bodies and livers are dying. Take the bull by the horns and detox off them. It will be a long first week and feel like Hell, but it is worth the pain. Do not replace your pill addiction for another pill addiction. Now on to the topic of this blog: I have been clean and sober for 31 days now, and I gotta tell ya.. my immune system is still so messed up. I had pneumonia a month before I got clean and I have had already 3 colds/flus with green phlem, sore throat and fogged up lungs in sobriety. I get head aches a lot. I get sore throats a lot. But I am clean and sober! I was taking so many Norcos (and sometimes Oxy's) about 12-20 a day. I still have some spots on my legs that are red and blotchy. I believe they are a result of liver damage. If any of you are addicted to pills and need a way out, call your local Alcoholics Anonymous. I have been trying to get clean and sober on my own for 9 years. The only thing that worked for me was to do the program outlined in the big blue AA book with a sponsor and to help others recover who reach out. I don't know how it works, but it works. I am in the middle of Step 9, and already my insides (emotionally) feel better. Amazing, even. I never thought I could live life with or without pills or other drugs or alcohol. I hope this post helps someone. Feel free to email me if you need a helping hand in recovering from pill addiction. Or any other addiction, for that matters. externalink123@gmail.com Do not listen to Rich!
Do not get Suboxon!
It IS addictive. Heroin addicts use it to try and get off heroin. I should know! Trust me on this! What horrible advice. Don’t trade one pill addiction for another… our bodies and livers are dying. Take the bull by the horns and detox off them. It will be a long first week and feel like Hell, but it is worth the pain.
Do not replace your pill addiction for another pill addiction.

Now on to the topic of this blog:

I have been clean and sober for 31 days now, and I gotta tell ya.. my immune system is still so messed up. I had pneumonia a month before I got clean and I have had already 3 colds/flus with green phlem, sore throat and fogged up lungs in sobriety. I get head aches a lot. I get sore throats a lot.

But I am clean and sober! I was taking so many Norcos (and sometimes Oxy’s) about 12-20 a day. I still have some spots on my legs that are red and blotchy. I believe they are a result of liver damage.

If any of you are addicted to pills and need a way out, call your local Alcoholics Anonymous. I have been trying to get clean and sober on my own for 9 years. The only thing that worked for me was to do the program outlined in the big blue AA book with a sponsor and to help others recover who reach out.
I don’t know how it works, but it works.
I am in the middle of Step 9, and already my insides (emotionally) feel better. Amazing, even.
I never thought I could live life with or without pills or other drugs or alcohol.

I hope this post helps someone.
Feel free to email me if you need a helping hand in recovering from pill addiction. Or any other addiction, for that matters.

externalink123@gmail.com

]]> By: rich http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15772 rich Wed, 21 Sep 2011 06:41:08 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15772 LISTEN UP PEOPLE. I have been on these for 4 months and got off them by taking a stimluant like adderall or concerta for add. sounds mess up but the brain receptors will respond to stimulants over opiates. Try to find adderall or concerta and will take about week or so. Trust me it works. When u take the stimulants the opiates receptor in the brain want that and intends to forget about the depressants (opiates). And adderall is not nearly as addicting as opiates. Also get a drug call suboxon. The drug taste so nasty u wont get addicted to it. Takes about 7 days or so. LISTEN UP PEOPLE. I have been on these for 4 months and got off them by taking a stimluant like adderall or concerta for add. sounds mess up but the brain receptors will respond to stimulants over opiates. Try to find adderall or concerta and will take about week or so. Trust me it works. When u take the stimulants the opiates receptor in the brain want that and intends to forget about the depressants (opiates). And adderall is not nearly as addicting as opiates. Also get a drug call suboxon. The drug taste so nasty u wont get addicted to it. Takes about 7 days or so.

]]> By: Not sure what to do? http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15147 Not sure what to do? Mon, 18 Jul 2011 20:03:44 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15147 I was taking Morphine Sulfate about 50 mils a day for the last 6 months. When I first tried getting off it was hell and ended up in the hospital my body could not handle it. I have now weaned myself off from Morphine to Percoset to Vicodine. So I have been taking milder and milder opiates. Now when I stop taking the Vicodine the flu symptoms come right away but the craving and sickiness is nowhere near as bad as coming straight off Morphine. I just get some chills, diareaha, and runny nose some craving but it has become easier to over come. My problem is that when I am not taking anything I am in a fog and cannot still for the life of me (Feel Ansy & Fidgety) . I will take benadryl to help me sleep but I have three children and very busy life and cannot be put out for long. I would just like to feel normal without pills I do not know what to do. I have come this far and it is better than it was but I getting over the last hurtle is tough. How long does the fog and anxiety last? I get what people are saying about others not understanding because unless they have been through it they do not. I am almost out of vicodin and I have cut those down to about 3 pills once a day enough to keep myself sane. But I cannot continue to maintain this way. I was taking Morphine Sulfate about 50 mils a day for the last 6 months. When I first tried getting off it was hell and ended up in the hospital my body could not handle it. I have now weaned myself off from Morphine to Percoset to Vicodine. So I have been taking milder and milder opiates. Now when I stop taking the Vicodine the flu symptoms come right away but the craving and sickiness is nowhere near as bad as coming straight off Morphine. I just get some chills, diareaha, and runny nose some craving but it has become easier to over come. My problem is that when I am not taking anything I am in a fog and cannot still for the life of me (Feel Ansy & Fidgety) . I will take benadryl to help me sleep but I have three children and very busy life and cannot be put out for long. I would just like to feel normal without pills I do not know what to do. I have come this far and it is better than it was but I getting over the last hurtle is tough. How long does the fog and anxiety last? I get what people are saying about others not understanding because unless they have been through it they do not. I am almost out of vicodin and I have cut those down to about 3 pills once a day enough to keep myself sane. But I cannot continue to maintain this way.

]]> By: Bill http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-15054 Bill Wed, 13 Jul 2011 03:23:31 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-15054 I just came came off of opiates. I was taking almost 200mg of roxycodone for 2 years on and off. I used suboxone to get off. Luckily I have a very health service provider. Anyways, with the suboxone you HAVE to wait 15 to 18 hours before your first dose. And don't just take a full 8mg dose of it either.. Take the smallest amount possible. And the reason I am saying this is beacuse you want the SMALLEST amount of the subs to help you. And I also would recommend that you use the suboxone in a short period of time because the withdrawals from that is another hell in it's self! Anyways I know this going to sound crazy and it may be hard to do for some but I swear it worked for me. Ok so what I did was wait out on the opiate withdrawal till it was unbearable! And believe me when I tell you WAIT! Beacuase if you don't you will go into precipitated withdrawals and that's a whole other hell in it's own. So after I took very small amounts of suboxone i waited for a whole complete day untill I started feeling crappy from the sub withdrawal. Then I know this may sound dumb but I got another roxycodone tablet and split it in a half and took a took a piece. And then I felt better. But let me say this one more time! You have to wanna get off these damn things in order for it to work!!! Now that roxy took the edge off but it was a very small amount. And I swear after that the withdrawal was still there but it wasn't intense as it usually was. And if u still feel a little funny WAIT a day or two then take the other half of the opiate. After that just stop everything all together. Now I'm not promising you'll feel like a million bucks but it helped me trememdoulsy! But even after you have accomplished getting off the suboxone and the opiates. You will still feel very tired a little insomnia and I couldn't even eat. So you have to get yourself on vitamins and anything else healthy you can find. This addiction has been the worse thing I have ever been through in my intire life. But if there's a will there will be defently a way! Sorry if I messed up on anything I typed I'm on my phone. Goodluck everybody out there! And remember none of you are alone! I just came came off of opiates. I was taking almost 200mg of roxycodone for 2 years on and off. I used suboxone to get off. Luckily I have a very health service provider. Anyways, with the suboxone you HAVE to wait 15 to 18 hours before your first dose. And don’t just take a full 8mg dose of it either.. Take the smallest amount possible. And the reason I am saying this is beacuse you want the SMALLEST amount of the subs to help you. And I also would recommend that you use the suboxone in a short period of time because the withdrawals from that is another hell in it’s self! Anyways I know this going to sound crazy and it may be hard to do for some but I swear it worked
for me. Ok so what I did was wait out on the opiate withdrawal till it was unbearable! And believe me when I tell you WAIT! Beacuase
if you don’t you will go into precipitated withdrawals and that’s a whole other hell in it’s
own. So after I took very small amounts of
suboxone i waited for a whole complete day untill I started feeling crappy from the sub withdrawal. Then I know this may sound dumb but I got another roxycodone tablet and split it in a half and took a took a piece. And then I felt better. But let me say this one more
time! You have to wanna get off these damn things in order for it to work!!! Now that roxy took the edge off but it was a very small amount. And I swear after that the withdrawal was still there but it wasn’t intense as it
usually was. And if u still feel a little funny WAIT a day or two then take the other half of the opiate. After that just stop everything all together. Now I’m not promising you’ll feel like
a million bucks but it helped me trememdoulsy! But even after you have accomplished getting off the suboxone and the opiates. You will still feel very tired a little insomnia and I couldn’t even eat. So you have to get yourself on vitamins and anything else healthy you can find. This addiction has been the worse thing I have ever been through in my intire life. But if
there’s a will there will be defently a way! Sorry if I messed up on anything I typed I’m on my phone. Goodluck everybody out there! And
remember none of you are alone!

]]> By: Jema http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/opiate-withdrawal/opiates-immune-system/comment-page-1/#comment-12762 Jema Sat, 16 Apr 2011 13:46:28 +0000 http://www.vicodinwithdrawal.org/?p=52#comment-12762 Today was really really hard to get started. Day 13 and still no sleeping for more than about a half hour at a time. I may have gotten two or three hours. I'm so tired and frustrated. The hot and cold thing is driving me insane and anxiety is constant. Pink, don't beat yourself up. If I had any left over right now, I'd be so tempted, but I know I can't even have them in the house. There is no doubt in my mind that I am an addict. God help me today. It's gotta get better soon. Today was really really hard to get started. Day 13 and still no sleeping for more than about a half hour at a time. I may have gotten two or three hours. I’m so tired and frustrated. The hot and cold thing is driving me insane and anxiety is constant.

Pink, don’t beat yourself up. If I had any left over right now, I’d be so tempted, but I know I can’t even have them in the house. There is no doubt in my mind that I am an addict.

God help me today. It’s gotta get better soon.

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